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IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
Jon
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:13 pm Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
Jon
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jonboede(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:42 pm Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
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To: yak-list(at)matronics.com <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com>
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> IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
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> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>
> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
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> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:30 pm Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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Remove the breaker and test it on the bench with an ohm meter. If it doesn’t reset after removal, replace the breaker. They can fail. Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com>
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> IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
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> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>
> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
>
> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:32 pm Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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Yes, there are switch breakers. Dennis
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| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 8:30 PM, Anthony Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
Remove the breaker and test it on the bench with an ohm meter. If it doesn’t reset after removal, replace the breaker. They can fail. Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com>
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> IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
>
> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>
> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
>
> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:54 pm Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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Open up the shower of sparks container and you’ll see a set of points next to a thumb wheel. See if the points are “welded” together. If they are, the shower of sparks will not work. If you remove the starting coil wire from the unit and deplete all the air forward of the main air valve (OFF) by squeezing the brake handle until you no longer hear air “whishing” when you release the brake handle, the engine will not rotate or start when you press the start button to see if the points are “arcing” when the start button is pressed.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com>
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> IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
>
> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>
> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
>
> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
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jonboede(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:29 pm Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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Thank you!
Don’t be surprised if you get a call. 
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Anthony Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
Open up the shower of sparks container and you’ll see a set of points next to a thumb wheel. See if the points are “welded” together. If they are, the shower of sparks will not work. If you remove the starting coil wire from the unit and deplete all the air forward of the main air valve (OFF) by squeezing the brake handle until you no longer hear air “whishing” when you release the brake handle, the engine will not rotate or start when you press the start button to see if the points are “arcing” when the start button is pressed.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com>
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> IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
>
> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>
> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
>
> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:53 am Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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I'll look forward to speaking with you.
Dennis
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On 4/11/2021 11:28 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
| Quote: | Thank you!
Don’t be surprised if you get a call.
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Anthony Savarese
> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Open up the shower of sparks container and you’ll see a set of
> points next to a thumb wheel. See if the points are “welded”
> together. If they are, the shower of sparks will not work.
> If you remove the starting coil wire from the unit and deplete all
> the air forward of the main air valve (OFF) by squeezing the brake
> handle until you no longer hear air “whishing” when you release the
> brake handle, the engine will not rotate or start when you press the
> start button to see if the points are “arcing” when the start button
> is pressed.
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to
>> have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly
>> what the IGN switch is.
>>
>> Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start
>> button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the
>> shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
>>
>> So, the plan is:
>>
>> 1. Replace the circuit breaker
>> 2. Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and
>> start solenoid 3Q
>> 3. Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop
>> (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
>> 4. Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
>> 5. Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
>>
>> What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
>>
>> Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson
>> <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
>> *To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Shower of Sparks
>>
>>
>> Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
>>
>> I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
>>
>> Bill Culberson
>> Red Star Aero Services
>> 251/716/8119
>>
>> > On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
>> >
>> > New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the
>> first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of
>> sitting.
>> >
>> > I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of
>> sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine
>> off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I
>> turn off the master.
>> >
>> > Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:16 pm Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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Mechanical issue with the circuit breaker. Fixed it. Another gold star for Dennis! (bows to the northeast)
Jon
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Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 10:28 PM
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shower of Sparks
Thank you!
Don’t be surprised if you get a call.
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Anthony Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
Open up the shower of sparks container and you’ll see a set of points next to a thumb wheel. See if the points are “welded” together. If they are, the shower of sparks will not work. If you remove the starting coil wire from the unit and deplete all the air forward of the main air valve (OFF) by squeezing the brake handle until you no longer hear air “whishing” when you release the brake handle, the engine will not rotate or start when you press the start button to see if the points are “arcing” when the start button is pressed.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com>
>
> IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
>
> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
>
> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
>
> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:27 am Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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Good to hear of another gremlin exorcised!
Justin
On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:21 PM Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Mechanical issue with the circuit breaker. Fixed it. Another gold star for Dennis! (bows to the northeast)
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)>
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Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
Thank you!
Don’t be surprised if you get a call.
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Anthony Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:
Open up the shower of sparks container and you’ll see a set of points next to a thumb wheel. See if the points are “welded” together. If they are, the shower of sparks will not work. If you remove the starting coil wire from the unit and deplete all the air forward of the main air valve (OFF) by squeezing the brake handle until you no longer hear air “whishing” when you release the brake handle, the engine will not rotate or start when you press the start button to see if the points are “arcing” when the start button is pressed.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com (migfighter42(at)gmail.com)>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com) <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com (migfighter42(at)gmail.com)>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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> IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
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> New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
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> I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
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> Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
>
> Jon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:25 am Post subject: Shower of Sparks |
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You can always tell if it is working if you have your com radio on
the shower of sparks is also a great broad band jammer that you will hear
it breaking squelch on the radio
Tom Elliott
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Sandy Valley NV.
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Cell 541-297-5497
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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Justin Drafts
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 1:27 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
Good to hear of another gremlin exorcised!
Justin
On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:21 PM Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Mechanical issue with the circuit breaker. Fixed it. Another gold star for Dennis! (bows to the northeast)
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 10:28 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com) <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
Thank you!
Don’t be surprised if you get a call.
On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Anthony Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:
| Quote: |
Open up the shower of sparks container and you’ll see a set of points next to a thumb wheel. See if the points are “welded” together. If they are, the shower of sparks will not work.
If you remove the starting coil wire from the unit and deplete all the air forward of the main air valve (OFF) by squeezing the brake handle until you no longer hear air “whishing” when you release the brake handle, the engine will not rotate or start when you press the start button to see if the points are “arcing” when the start button is pressed.
Dennis
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2021, at 7:45 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: |
For reasons beyond the scope of this discussion 🙂 I just happen to have a new ZKC-5 circuit breaker switch from Doug, which is exactly what the IGN switch is.
Previously I'd turned the switch on but hadn't pressed the start button. Today was the first press of the start button. I heard the shower of sparks buzz just before the circuit breaker popped.
So, the plan is:
- Replace the circuit breaker
- Disconnect the two canon plugs to the shower of sparks 2Q and start solenoid 3Q
- Press the start button and see if that causes the breaker to pop (bad canon plug somewhere maybe, wiring issue)
- Connect the 3Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
- Connect the 2Q canon plug and see if that makes it pop
What would make a shower of sparks "go bad"?
Is a new shower of sparks "impossible to find" as I've heard?
Jon
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com (migfighter42(at)gmail.com)>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 5:12 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com) <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Culberson <migfighter42(at)gmail.com (migfighter42(at)gmail.com)>
Bad circuit breaker. Start there.
I’m guessing they are switch circuit breakers?
Bill Culberson
Red Star Aero Services
251/716/8119
| Quote: | On Apr 11, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jon Boede <jonboede(at)hotmail.com (jonboede(at)hotmail.com)>
IGN circuit breaker blows and won’t reset.
New M-14P on a CJ. Went to actuate the start solenoid for the first time now that the system has air on it again after a year of sitting.
I turned on the master and ignition and I heard the shower of sparks (from Chinese engine, worked great when I took that engine off) buzz. Then the ignition CB popped and won’t reset. Even if I turn off the master.
Any ideas on where to begin troubleshooting?
Jon
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