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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

I was sharing with a few fellow RV-10 builders (over breakfast at EAA Chapter 105 – VANS) on an observation of silence on the reflector lately.  I will be forwarding a cash contribution to Matt Draille cause his site is so valuable to this build process. I have also thanked Bob Collins for his work on his web newsletter.  However, when builders have queried lately, their responses go unanswered or with tepid response.  Don’t get me wrong, the answers although few, are of value.  It’s just with 50 + flying birds and 100 builders at the exact same stage of build, are we just a bunch of Lurkers?  That leaves 500 who must be so-oo very busy that their contribution has little value over individual build progress.  

  

Maybe those archives are getting a workout?  Any opinion, before I go back to the silence?   

And, Tim they appreciate your back channel transmission on their questions.  It is just a trend which creates concern over the winter.  

Deems you get a Get Outa Jail card due to the wedding.  Anh, I hope your answers are of value.  

John Cox  

#40600  

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

Sorry, I've been absent for a week or so, but my teacher has had me 

serving detention after school writing:



I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...

I will do a better job of responding to the RV-10 list inquiries, ...



And I just finished !   :-[



do not archive



Deems Davis # 406

Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )

http://deemsrv10.com/



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Roadster

Joined: 19 Sep 2006
Posts: 4
Location: Chicagoland

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Archives and willingness to comment

 	  AV8ORJWC wrote: 	
		  Maybe those archives are getting a workout?  Any opinion, before I go back to the silence? 	




What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative, prolific posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their signatures. What's up with that? :-O

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

Yep, that'd be me.  I hate to archive a jumbled pile of garbage, but

when I find true gems, I try to write up one good post and then

get rid of the "do not archive" tag.  If everything were nicely

trimmed, and straightforwardly written, I'd archive it more often.

Some times it just from forgetting to remove it though.  I put it there

by default because the last thing I want is some of my drivel like this

one to be archived by accident.  I'm not going anywhere soon, so

if the question comes up again I don't mind answering it again.

While there is great value in archives, and I definitely see that,

I also think there's great value in interactive Q&A.  There are too

many lurker-only types as it is, and perhaps by forcing them to

ask a question once in a while, it'll help bring them out and

keep a more active "community".



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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> Maybe those archives are getting a workout?  Any opinion, before I go back to the silence?

 

 

 What I find curious is the fact that a lot of the most informative, prolific posters on the list have a generic "Do Not Archive" appended to their signatures. What's up with that? :-O

 

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bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

Tim or anyone with a rudder attached,

Here's a question? I am looking for the travel length of the rudder cable. 

Stop to stop. Should be easy to measure it at the tail. This will save me 

remounting the rudder (in storage now) on the tailcone. I am working on a 

change for the rudder control assembly.

I may be a lurker, but I have truly enjoyed and learned a great deal from 

all the input on this list.

A big thanks to you Tim, and all the others that have added to the success 

and enjoyment of RV10 construction.

Paul Grimstad

RV10 40450 firewall & forward tunnel

Portland, OR 97219



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ScooterF15

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 136

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

Here's my opinion on this subject:

    

   This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I do my best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late. It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met with soap box lectures on building practices.

    

   Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!

    

   Jim

   40134 - Flying

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LessDragProd(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

I hope your appeal doesn't fall on "deaf ears", as the saying goes.

  

 My experience has been that there is always at least one person that  insists (demands) the list has to work "within the box" he has  created.  i.e., no independent thought.

  

 This eliminates the possibility of creating synergy on the list.   As a result, there can be no creative development on the list.

  

 Perhaps it is enough to simply help each other understand the plans and the  parts provided; in other to complete the aircraft as  designed.      NOT!

  

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

 Modified HR2 

  

 In a message dated 11/08/2006 9:52:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,  jsmcgrew(at)aol.com writes:

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		     Here's my opinion on this subject:

    

   This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10    done. I do my best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things    in hope of helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment    as of late. It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out    there only to be met with soap box lectures on building practices.

    

   Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a    friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!

    

   Jim

   40134 - Flying

	


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acs(at)acspropeller.com.a
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

And my opinion….  

   

There is a lot of good info in the archives now, all credit to certain individuals and a good library reference has been well established. We have all at one time or another been politely or otherwise, encouraged to use the archives, save a lot of you diligent replyees going over the same old ground.   

It has been put forward as a point on more than one occasion that the discussions, however repetitive, should still be put out there to encourage more dialogue one way or the other. There are some fantastic web sites and more information than you need to complete a satisfactory project based on what can be gleaned from the ideas available, however nothing beats the “throw it out there” scenario to discover things you just didn’t know. More of a “devils advocate” approach ……..like the delta wing I’m trialing on my -10    

I’d suggest the ground work of the list has been brilliantly laid and a lot of it has moved into the “Now Flying” category. We still need the next wave of beginners asking the same beginning questions but we also need to encourage a broader range of topics amongst the established builders in the mid range of their projects beyond primers, bigger engines, 2 versus 3 blade props. I personally like the “think out aloud” approach that certain people are good at. It attracts some good e-bate on occasions and I think that is part of the learn for us less knowledgeable.   

Also, the quality of this list suggests anything other than amateur corner and that can sometimes have a negative result when it comes to contributions.  

   

John 40315 (midway motivational lull…did anyone else get this?)  

Do not archive  

     

   

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jsmcgrew(at)aol.com

 Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 3:48 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment  

  

     

Here's my opinion on this subject:  

    

   

    

This list was (and is) a valuable resource to getting my RV-10 done. I do my best to send pictures and descriptions of how I did things in hope of helping out others. I have become a bit reluctant to comment as of late. It's frustrating to throw an idea or a question out there only to be met with soap box lectures on building practices.  

    

   

    

Everyone should feel comfortable sending out a post. Let's keep this a friendly and open sharing of ideas!!!  

    

   

    

Jim  

    

40134 - Flying

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toaster73(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

John

 What do you consider midway?

 -Chris Lucas

 #40072 (cabin side skins)

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acs(at)acspropeller.com.a
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

Good question Chris. Maybe the cabin cover installation?  

John 40315  

Do not archive  

     

   

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris

 Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2006 8:25 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Archives and willingness to comment  

  

     

John  

    

What do you consider midway?  

    

-Chris Lucas  

    

#40072 (cabin side skins)  

    

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

That's someone who thinks he's 90% done BUT everyone who's been there  knows he's still 90% to go.  8*)

 KABONG (GBA& GWB) Do Not Archive

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millstees(at)ameritech.ne
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

I was  told that when you order your finishing kit, you are half  done.

  

  Steve Mills

 RV-10 40486 Slow-build

 Naperville, Illinois 

 finishing fuselage



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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

Well John I would like to know about your Delta Wing design.  In fact we could have two sets of wings, one for short field operation and one for max cruise speed. . Remove a few bolts, and some connectors and your all set

  

 Actually I just came out of about a 5 month lull.  I like to view it as burnout and other things intefering.  Its actually motivational to hear about people flying and building on this list.  I am still working on the fuselage, I haven't put the top on yet but in another month or so I should be at that stage.  Hopeing to get it flying by next summer.  Maybe if I keep it real simple.

  

 One thing for certain is that there are some very knowledgeable people on this list.

  

 Happy building

  

 Niko

 

40188 



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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

Sorry, but I would tend to believe that if you are still just ordering  anything major, your still not half way. On the HRII I would think we were about  1/2 way (time wise) when it looked (all the major parts  installed) & sounded (first engine test run) like an airplane. We made  a list when the "plane" was in the hanger at the airport. The list was on the  project board of all the things that needed to be done, at least a  hundred items (gotta get a bigger board). Worked for another month or  two (two days a week avg.) subtracting & adding items, still had  more than a hundred. Tom then split those into "finishing" &  flying items. We completed the required flying items in the next four/five  months. The "finishing" items (paint, decals, farings, wheel pants, wing  lockers, strobes, air inlets, weather seal, rear seat throttle & rudder  controls, seats covered, cowl & baffles properly fitted, roll over bar  completed [again], 'glass filler on the canopy joint, final rear canopy  skirt, oil cooler moved to firewall, extra exhaust supports, wires bundled,  interior lights, GPS mounts (2), FI rebuilt, modify alternator mount [3  times]etc etc.) took better than another year. And six years later we're still  working on it. BUT your mileage may differ.  

 KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive  

 But was it worth the work & the wait ?, YES.

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Archives and willingness to comment

I was about to agree, after your first sentence, but then it

went overboard a bit from an RV-10 building perspective.

For me, the 1/2 way point was about the time I put in

the windshield and windows and was getting some body work

ready for paint.  So I agree that it really is looking like

and airplane, and you have perhaps the engine mounted.

The rest of it though, seems to go with less time on an

RV-10 than what you're describing.  Your point about the list

is an excellent one though.  I made a spreadsheet list at

the time I moved it to the hanger.  BEFORE INSPECTION, BEFORE

FLIGHT, AFTER FLIGHT on each item. Then just keep putting

anything you think of or run into onto the list, and assign

it an expected amount of time...and be generous.  Then you'll

start to get an idea of your chance of getting it done

in a certain month or perhaps season of the year.  You'll

end up with 50, or 100, or more items, depending on how

thorough you are.  But at least that gives you a visible goal,

and MOST importantly, a checklist for you so that you don't

forget items..... "Install wing bolts and torque".

But yeah, you'll definitely be rolling it around on it's own

gear at some point probably just before, or near the mid-point

in the build from an hours perspective.  The cool part is,

your motivation goes sky high at that point, so the overall

timeline to get that 2nd half of the hours can tend to get

compressed a bit more than the first half.



Keep pounding those rivets, and you'll get there!



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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JOHN STARN wrote:

[quote] Sorry, but I would tend to believe that if you are still just ordering 

 anything major, your still not half way. On the HRII I would think we 

 were about 1/2 way (time wise) when it looked (all the major parts 

 installed) & sounded (first engine test run) like an airplane. We made a 

 list when the "plane" was in the hanger at the airport. The list was on 

 the project board of all the things that needed to be done, at least a 

 hundred items (gotta get a bigger board). Worked for another month or 

 two (two days a week avg.) subtracting & adding items, still had more 

 than a hundred. Tom then split those into "finishing" & flying items. We 

 completed the required flying items in the next four/five months. The 

 "finishing" items (paint, decals, farings, wheel pants, wing lockers, 

 strobes, air inlets, weather seal, rear seat throttle & rudder controls, 

 seats covered, cowl & baffles properly fitted, roll over bar completed 

 [again], 'glass filler on the canopy joint, final rear canopy skirt, oil 

 cooler moved to firewall, extra exhaust supports, wires bundled, 

 interior lights, GPS mounts (2), FI rebuilt, modify alternator mount [3 

 times]etc etc.) took better than another year. And six years later we're 

 still working on it. BUT your mileage may differ. 

 KABONG (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive  

 But was it worth the work & the wait ?, YES.

 

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