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zsmith3rd(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Off Airport

Several approaches to this......

Paint large block letters on the side & wings:  S H E R I F F

Or, F B I, or, D E A, etc; nobody will ask,

Use camo paint (nobody will see it),

Or paint it yellow, stencil HIGHWAY DEPT on the side ( sleep under the wing...that'll look normal ), ((Have somebody lean on a shovel to add realism)),

Put spray booms on the plane, look "agricultural", wear bib overalls.

Put up a wind sock.  You are automatically at an airport....."Look, Mommy, an airport!"



All kidding aside, it is not advisable to land on any nice flat grassy field, by choice, until you have walked it.

Ride a four-wheeler at 40 MPH across the field.  That'll give you a feel for suitability.

Legal issues not withstanding, you need to KNOW the field beforehand.

And, with winter nearly here, beware of cow piles.  A fresh one, frozen solid, is comparable to a large rock.



Personally, I like grass runways.  They differ a bit from paved ones, but they're fun.  You can usually taxi in any direction you desire without permission from Ground.



Regards,



Zed



do not archive, and do not hit fresh un-frozen piles either.  been there, done that.  mud flaps?

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: Off Airport

 	  Quote: 	
		   And, with winter nearly here, beware of cow piles.  A fresh one, frozen solid, is comparable to a large rock.


	


When they are fresh and completely thawed out they are comparable to an IRS agent.



Ed Moody II

(Taxpayer ID withheld by request)

pacificpainting(at)comcas
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject: Off Airport

My ex mother-in-law was an IRS agent. It  doesn't matter if they are frozen 

or thawed.



do not archive



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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: Off Airport

Ed, I always enjoy your humor and I'm sure the IRS surveillance agents scanning this thread for 'narr do wells' and evil tax evaders know your just kidding. You are, Right ? If not, you guys contact me off line and I'll lead you to right to him.  Ha. Ed, something brilliant I just arrived at something with my dull attorney brain; '"buy the very best instruments you can afford." I had to replace the electric turn coordinator this weekend to the tune of $565.00. I had bought a non TSO'ed and it cost $289.00 and with less than 100 hours kaput,, total loss ! Looking back over the last 15 months I replaced two altimeters, two vac gages, CHT gages, DG and now a turn coordinator and I have a VFR only instrument panel. Save on paint, save on interior,, but buy the best you can for instruments because the "cheap" ones will break soon and often. New rule: anything that has electricity passing through it,, buy best !! By the way, when you coming over this way and learn how to fly an XL anyway ? Best regards, Bill

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gboothe(at)calply.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: Off Airport

Zed,  

   

 Also, don't forget about US ARMY and NAVY insignia. I know from personal experience that, even if you get a complaint, it has traveled in a very peculiar route that allows you to at least laugh at the ignorance of the complainant.   

   

Gary Boothe 

 Cool, CA 

 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, 

 Tail done, wings done, working on c-section   

   

   

Re: Off Airport  

   

--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd(at)earthlink.net>  

   

Several approaches to this......  

Paint large block letters on the side & wings:  S H E R I F F  

Or, F B I, or, D E A, etc; nobody will ask,  

Use camo paint (nobody will see it),  

Or paint it yellow, stencil HIGHWAY DEPT on the side ( sleep under the wing...that'll look normal ), ((Have somebody lean on a shovel to add realism)),  

Put spray booms on the plane, look "agricultural", wear bib overalls.  

Put up a wind sock.  You are automatically at an airport....."Look, Mommy, an airport!"  

   

   

do not archive, and do not hit fresh un-frozen piles either.  been there, done that.  mud flaps?     

   

   

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

   

   

   

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: Off Airport

I'm waiting on an Advanced Flight Systems AF-3500.  It's an EFIS/EIS combo built around a Crosssbow AHRS just like the wealthy and  the airlines use. I am only backing it up with a whiskey compass, my Lowrance  Airmap 2000C, a tach, and an ASI steam gauge. I've bought a Becker transceiver  and a Becker transponder, and a PS 501 intercom. My dad and I worked on the rear  frame and baggage area tonight. Hell, I feel like I'll be doing good just to get  it inspected before Christ comes back to round us up.... maybe I can give Him a  ride.... I owe Him that much at least.

  

 When you flying over here for crawfish and  boudin?

  

 Ed

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hrs1(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: Off Airport

Bill . . . would you mind giving us the type of instrument, model, and 

manufacturer of the ones that failed so we don't make the same mistake?  

Thx.  Robert Schoenberger 701



JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Ed, I always enjoy your humor and I'm sure the IRS surveillance agents 

 scanning this thread for 'narr do wells' and evil tax evaders know 

 your just kidding. You are, Right ? If not, you guys contact me off 

 line and I'll lead you to right to him.  Ha. Ed, something brilliant I 

 just arrived at something with my dull attorney brain; '"buy the very 

 best instruments you can afford." I had to replace the electric turn 

 coordinator this weekend to the tune of $565.00. I had bought a non 

 TSO'ed and it cost $289.00 and with less than 100 hours kaput,, total 

 loss ! Looking back over the last 15 months I replaced two altimeters, 

 two vac gages, CHT gages, DG and now a turn coordinator and I have a 

 VFR only instrument panel. Save on paint, save on interior,, but buy 

 the best you can for instruments because the "cheap" ones will break 

 soon and often. New rule: anything that has electricity passing 

 through it,, buy best !! By the way, when you coming over this way and 

 learn how to fly an XL anyway ? Best regards, Bill

 do not archive 

 *

 *

JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Off Airport

Ed, my folks taught me not to eat water roaches and fish bait, but I can drink pretty much anything, Sounds like you got a good plan. Bill   [quote][b]

JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: Off Airport

Robert, I will, but all that is at the airport so it'll be a few days, Bill [quote][b]

hrs1(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: off airport

John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress.  The first 

place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in 

locating and ask the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or 

the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted.  

Avoid the word "airport"  -  it sounds massive and noisy.  I generally 

buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the pages 

which apply.  Some towns if you go out far enough from metro areas don't 

even have building codes, and then you should be golden, but 

verification is still necessary.  



When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and the 

next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't aligned with 

anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can kill you if 

you have an engine out on take off.  If you can avoid flying over the 

neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus.  Low flying planes 

over one's home make people nervous, especially if they aren't from the 

aviation community.  If you want to discuss anything else, you can write 

me privately at hrs1(at)frontiernet.net.  Good luck.  Robert Schoenberger 701



john butterfield wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 hi list 

 thanks for the info on off airport landings.  my

 actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some

 property i will buy in the sticks.  guess i should

 check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. 

 always been my dream to have a place "in the country"

 that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and

 walk to my abode.



 thanks again

 john butterfield

 601XL corvair

 torrance, ca

 do not archive

  

 Want to start your own business?

 http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

NYTerminat(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: off airport

That is what I did on my property in NY. There was another private one a  few miles away, so I didn't ask and just put it in. One suggestion is if have  the property make the runway as long as possible especially if you have  obstructions. You also might want to change airplanes or have some friends come  over, just gives you more options.

  

 Bob Spudis

 N701ZX   CH701/912S

  

  

  

 In a message dated 11/14/2006 10:36:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  

hi    list 

thanks for the info on off airport landings.  my

actual    intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some

property i will buy in the    sticks.  guess i should

check with the neighbors (if any) before i    start. 

always been my dream to have a place "in the country"

that i    could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and

walk to my    abode.



thanks again

john butterfield

601XL corvair

torrance,    ca

do not archive

	


 

  

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: off airport

Consider the density altitude at which you will be operating from such a short strip before proceeding. It doesn't sound like you are leaving much room for trouble.



Ed Moody II



---- john butterfield <jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 hi list 

 thanks for the info on off airport landings.  my

 actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some

 property i will buy in the sticks.  guess i should

 check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. 

 always been my dream to have a place "in the country"

 that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and

 walk to my abode.

 

 thanks again

 john butterfield

 601XL corvair

 torrance, ca

 do not archive

 

 

  

 Want to start your own business?

 http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

ch701builder

Joined: 07 Feb 2006
Posts: 119
Location: N38.9947,W105.1305,ALT. 9,100'

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: off airport

Hi John,

 One thing to do, as Robert has mentioned, is to check with the County. I live outside any city limits, so I follow the County rules. I was able to download them from the Colorado Counties web sites, and looked at their "land proposals/usage" section. Also, I have contacted the (2) neighbors close to me, 1/4 mile and farther, and have mentioned to them that I will perfrom my flights, No Earlier Than, 6:00am and No Later Than, 9:00pm. If I anticipate anytime outside of these hours, I will call them and give them a "heads up" and forwarn them in advance.

 

 Also, offering "free rides" should also be a plus to get the neighbors favor!!

 Good luck,

 

 Keith

 N 38.9947

 W 105.1305

 Alt. 9,100'

 *******************************************************************************

 

 Robert Schoenberger wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1(at)frontiernet.net> (hrs1(at)frontiernet.net)   

   

 John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress.  The first place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in locating and ask the code enforcement officer in the building dept (or the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted.  Avoid the word "airport"  -  it sounds massive and noisy.  I generally buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the pages which apply.  Some towns if you go out far enough from metro areas don't even have building codes, and then you should be golden, but verification is still necessary.  

 When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and the next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't aligned with anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can kill you if you have an engine out on take off.  If you can avoid flying over the neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus.  Low flying planes over one's home make people nervous, especially if they aren't from the aviation community.  If you want to discuss anything else, you can write me privately at hrs1(at)frontiernet.net (hrs1(at)frontiernet.net).  Good luck.  Robert Schoenberger 701   

   

 john butterfield wrote:   

    	  Quote: 	
		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com> (jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com)     

     

 hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings.  my     

 actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some     

 property i will buy in the sticks.  guess i should     

 check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have a place "in the country"     

 that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and     

 walk to my abode.     

     

 thanks again     

 john butterfield     

 601XL corvair     

 torrance, ca     

 do not archive     

     

     

       

 Want to start your own business?     

 http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index     

     

     

     

     

     

     

   	
   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

 	
 

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ITT Industries 

Advanced Engineering & Sciences 

5009 Centennial Blvd. 

Colorado Springs, CO 

                      80919 

(719) 599-1787 -- work 

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n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: off airport

I built a private airstrip on a ranch I own out here in Wyoming. I live in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends most of its time up here. My ranch is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from home. All I needed was to petition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$ and three readings from the planning board and three readings from the commision. On the very last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was last. So I sat there and when the first four were processed there was still six people left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a bunch of "not on my backyard" people.... Believe it or not all six were in favor of it cause they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to chart it for someone to use in case of an emergency..  Denver FAA wanted to know what I was going to call it so of course I replied " Haas International"...   It is in most databases using the identifier   2WY3. The good news is it is 3000' long,,, the bad news is it is located at  7960 MSL. Which really isn't bad for my fire breathing 801. <G> 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- john butterfield <jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com>



hi list 

thanks for the info on off airport landings.  my

actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some

property i will buy in the sticks.  guess i should

check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. 

always been my dream to have a place "in the country"

that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and

walk to my abode.



thanks again

john butterfield

601XL corvair

torrance, ca

do not archive

 

Want to start your own business?

http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index



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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: off airport

One idea no one has post:  

Why not look for a airstrip already developed with hangar -houses around...  They can be found in almost all prices,  I visited some in Texas that had grass strips and were not (very) expensive.  Some on the other side, with concrete strips and remote electric entrance gate for the cars an lots of luxury...



Just a comment, hope it helps.



Saludos

Gary Gower.



Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com> wrote:[quote]           Hi John,

 One thing to do, as Robert has mentioned, is to check with the County. I live outside any city limits, so I follow the County rules. I was able to download them from the Colorado Counties web sites, and looked at their "land proposals/usage" section. Also, I have  contacted the (2) neighbors close to me, 1/4 mile and farther, and have mentioned to them that I will perfrom my flights, No Earlier Than, 6:00am and No Later Than, 9:00pm. If I anticipate anytime outside of these hours, I will call them and give them a "heads up" and forwarn them in advance.

 

 Also, offering "free rides" should also be a plus to get the neighbors favor!!

 Good luck,

 

 Keith

 N 38.9947

 W 105.1305

 Alt. 9,100'

 *******************************************************************************

 

 Robert Schoenberger wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1(at)frontiernet.net> (hrs1(at)frontiernet.net)   

   

 John . . . I am a land developer and own a 701 in progress.  The first place to start is to go to the Town(ship) where you're interested in locating and ask the code  enforcement officer in the building dept (or the head of the building dept.) if private air strips are permitted.  Avoid the word "airport"  -  it sounds massive and noisy.  I generally buy a copy of the code and verify his answer osk for copies of the pages which apply.  Some towns if you go out far enough from metro areas don't even have building codes, and then you should be golden, but verification is still necessary.  

 When selecting a piece of land if possible have it so the runway and the next 1000 ft. beyond (even if on the neighbor's land) isn't aligned with anyone's home, tall trees, high hills - anything that can kill you if you have an engine out on take off.  If you can avoid flying over the neighbors on takeoff and landing, that is a big plus.  Low flying planes over one's home make people nervous, especially if they aren't from the aviation community.  If you want to discuss anything else, you can write me  privately at hrs1(at)frontiernet.net (hrs1(at)frontiernet.net).  Good luck.  Robert Schoenberger 701   

   

 john butterfield wrote:   

    	  Quote: 	
		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com> (jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com)     

     

 hi list thanks for the info on off airport landings.  my     

 actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some     

 property i will buy in the sticks.  guess i should     

 check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. always been my dream to have a place "in the country"     

 that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and     

 walk to my abode.     

     

 thanks again     

 john butterfield     

 601XL corvair     

 torrance, ca     

 do not archive     

     

     

       

 Want to start your  own business?     

 http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index     

     

     

     

     

     

     

   	
   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

 	
 

 -- 

     *************************************       Keith Ashcraft   4    3   2004-01-06T20:01:00Z   2004-01-06T20:29:00Z   1   34   198   ITT Advanced Engineering & Sciences   1   1   243   9.3821   <![endif]-->     Print   150   <![endif]-->       <![endif]-->       <![endif]-->  *************************************

 Keith Ashcraft

 ITT Industries

 Advanced Engineering & Sciences

 5009 Centennial Blvd.

 Colorado Springs, CO

                        80919

 (719) 599-1787 -- work

 (719) 332-4364 -- cell

 keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com (keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com)

 

 

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or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not

necessarily represent those of ITT, Inc. The recipient should check

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: off airport

Hello Ben,



Thats high!!!    never thought there were areas in USA  that high,  not considering Alaska...  



Saludos

Gary Gower.

do not archive.



"n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com> wrote:[quote] I built a private airstrip on a ranch I own out here in Wyoming. I live in Jackson Hole and ol N801BH spends most of its time up here. My ranch is 38 air miles and 102 driving miles from home. All I needed was to petition the county for a conditional use permit, 25.00$ and three readings from the planning board and three readings from the commision. On the very last hearing there was five items on the agenda, mine was last. So I sat there and when the first four were processed there was still six people left in the audiance,,,,, I thought to myself. oh geez a bunch of "not on my backyard"  people.... Believe it or not all six were in favor of it cause they were all pilots and I had requested the FAA to chart it for someone to use in case of an emergency..  Denver FAA wanted to know what I was going to call it so of course I replied " Haas International"...   It is in most databases using the identifier   2WY3. The good news is it is 3000' long,,, the bad news is it is located at  7960 MSL. Which really isn't bad for my fire breathing 801. <G>

 do not  archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- john butterfield <jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield(at)yahoo.com>



hi list 

thanks for the info on off airport landings.  my

actual intent was to build a 1,000 foot runway on some

property i will buy in the sticks.  guess i should

check with the neighbors (if any) before i start. 

always been my dream to have a place "in the country"

that i could visit and taxi up to my own hanger and

walk to my abode.



thanks aga in

john butterfield

601XL corvair

torrance, ca

do not archive

 

Want to start your own business?

http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index



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