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Two pictures of my Glastar ; One had the rivets in the cowl seamed over with a single layer (1") of E glass. The rivets holding the oil access door did not have a layer of glass. The rivet heads appeared between 100-200 TT.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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Composites, even VANs RV-10 canopies do not set until the matrix reaches final threshold temperature (Well above 175 degrees). Carbon fiber is usually cured in an oven under vacuum which aids the matrix to reach target and the resin to reach SET. Those aircraft which use dissimilar materials won’t see the shrink for one to three annual heat soak cycles. A have scores of pictures of $25K + Lancair paint jobs which enter the area just after the builder gets through recovering from their investment. It sneaks up and bites the big one.
No RV builder is going to see this phenomena for some time, unless their aircraft is left in the sun of FL, TX or AZ and out in the elements for an extended period. This is one of the unfortunate truisms of composite matrix. David’s findings were most interesting to view after Copperstate. His modifications to the shoulder harness mount are even more revealing when you address the subject of Safety and post crash survivability. Oh yeh, I forgot, statistically no RV-10s have crashed yet. Only one had an unfortunate landing in CA.
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Two pictures of my Glastar ; One had the rivets in the cowl seamed over with a single layer (1") of E glass. The rivets holding the oil access door did not have a layer of glass. The rivet heads appeared between 100-200 TT.
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Just wondering what the "more revealing" findings were about the shoulder harness mods and thus the post crash survivability.
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Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Composites, even VANs RV-10 canopies do not set until the matrix reaches final threshold temperature (Well above 175 degrees). Carbon fiber is usually cured in an oven under vacuum which aids the matrix to reach target and the resin to reach SET. Those aircraft which use dissimilar materials won’t see the shrink for one to three annual heat soak cycles. A have scores of pictures of $25K + Lancair paint jobs which enter the area just after the builder gets through recovering from their investment. It sneaks up and bites the big one.
No RV builder is going to see this phenomena for some time, unless their aircraft is left in the sun of FL, TX or AZ and out in the elements for an extended period. This is one of the unfortunate truisms of composite matrix. David’s findings were most interesting to view after Copperstate. His modifications to the shoulder harness mount are even more revealing when you address the subject of Safety and post crash survivability. Oh yeh, I forgot, statistically no RV-10s have crashed yet. Only one had an unfortunate landing in CA.
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Two pictures of my Glastar ; One had the rivets in the cowl seamed over with a single layer (1") of E glass. The rivets holding the oil access door did not have a layer of glass. The rivet heads appeared between 100-200 TT.
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Hey all –
I kind of expected there to be more discussion about this… John – what is the meaning of “David’s findings after Cooperstate” ? what are his modifications to the shoulder mount harness, and why are they good/bad? I can’t really tell from your post if you think it’s bad, good, or what the heck it all means. Are you poo-pooing or applauding? I’m considering using hard points in the cabin top for the rear seats seatbelts along with the stock front seat hard point locations. Is this a bad idea? I’m very much out of my element when it comes to composites, and it all seems very fragile to me, but whatever. Smarter people than me came up with this composite stuff. I’m just trying to catch up J
What say you all?
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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Chris –
David can best post in the first person. I think Safety improvements are a For Sure thing to do. Halon Fire Suppression, Shoulder harness airbags , Pitot/Static test port at the panel, but the real deal winner was the improvement on the four passenger shoulder mounts into the composite substrate. His battery retention bracket was pretty cool too. Glassing over rivets was more Aesthetic than Safety
I always apply S.A.F.E to all of VAN’s final product. Can it be made (S)afer; more (A)esthetically pleasing; can the (F)unctionality be enhanced; and finally can things be finished more (E)rgonomically. I would like to think the RV-10 could be brought into the 21st century like the RV-12 which is by design VFR Day Only. I do love steam gages in WWII aircraft though. I am no fan of trying to stop a 200+ pound passenger being held down by a single point fastener than thinking a wet cardboard box can hold rocks. I am all for Glass EFIS and ergonomically canted panels and prudently placed controls. I still miss John Denver and Yes, my eight track is broken.
How about Emmett Smith and those Cowboys?
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
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Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Hey all –
I kind of expected there to be more discussion about this… John – what is the meaning of “David’s findings after Cooperstate” ? what are his modifications to the shoulder mount harness, and why are they good/bad? I can’t really tell from your post if you think it’s bad, good, or what the heck it all means. Are you poo-pooing or applauding? I’m considering using hard points in the cabin top for the rear seats seatbelts along with the stock front seat hard point locations. Is this a bad idea? I’m very much out of my element when it comes to composites, and it all seems very fragile to me, but whatever. Smarter people than me came up with this composite stuff. I’m just trying to catch up J
What say you all?
cj
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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Basically I will relate the history of our restraint installation. Although retired since 1995, I still have two rugrats 7 and 10. They want to move around a lot when we travel, so I began to look for a way to install inertial belts. I happened to see an inertial system in a super cub and upon examination found an AMSAFE part number. I contacted them since they are a local company in PHX. After meeting one of their technical managers, he was reluctant to design anything around the Van's hardpoint. Fortunately I have access to a couple of neighbors who have ridden about in my C177RG. They happen to have 3 PhDs between them from Caltech. They too were concerned about the single #5 countersunk screw holding the shoulder harness. They believe that the constant pull on the harness would cause "working" of the screw in the hardpoint and that in a crash the screw would easily pull through. You can see our alternative at www.inertialbelts.com. I would recommend strengthening the hardpoints even if you do not go with inertial belts. A simple improvement would be a large CS Stainless steel washer , a standard procedure in composite to spread the load.
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jjessen
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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Okay, let's go through the add on stuff. I'm up to the following:
Camera in the VS
VS intake for overhead mounted air vents (ala Ed's)
Space saved for air conditioning
LED position lights all around
HID in both wings
Wig wag in wing tips
Pitot/static test port at the panel
Alternate static?
New seat belt attach points?
Return line for tanks?
Halon system
Firewall material?
Holly Cowl
Barrette engine
exhaust?
| Quote: | From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Chris –
David can best post in the first person. I think Safety improvements are a For Sure thing to do. Halon Fire Suppression, Shoulder harness airbags , Pitot/Static test port at the panel, but the real deal winner was the improvement on the four passenger shoulder mounts into the composite substrate. His battery retention bracket was pretty cool too. Glassing over rivets was more Aesthetic than Safety
I always apply S.A.F.E to all of VAN’s final product. Can it be made (S)afer; more (A)esthetically pleasing; can the (F)unctionality be enhanced; and finally can things be finished more (E)rgonomically. I would like to think the RV-10 could be brought into the 21st century like the RV-12 which is by design VFR Day Only. I do love steam gages in WWII aircraft though. I am no fan of trying to stop a 200+ pound passenger being held down by a single point fastener than thinking a wet cardboard box can hold rocks. I am all for Glass EFIS and ergonomically canted panels and prudently placed controls. I still miss John Denver and Yes, my eight track is broken.
How about Emmett Smith and those Cowboys?
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:57 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Hey all –
I kind of expected there to be more discussion about this… John – what is the meaning of “David’s findings after Cooperstate” ? what are his modifications to the shoulder mount harness, and why are they good/bad? I can’t really tell from your post if you think it’s bad, good, or what the heck it all means. Are you poo-pooing or applauding? I’m considering using hard points in the cabin top for the rear seats seatbelts along with the stock front seat hard point locations. Is this a bad idea? I’m very much out of my element when it comes to composites, and it all seems very fragile to me, but whatever. Smarter people than me came up with this composite stuff. I’m just trying to catch up J
What say you all?
cj
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www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Just wondering what the "more revealing" findings were about the shoulder harness mods and thus the post crash survivability.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:10 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Composites, even VANs RV-10 canopies do not set until the matrix reaches final threshold temperature (Well above 175 degrees). Carbon fiber is usually cured in an oven under vacuum which aids the matrix to reach target and the resin to reach SET. Those aircraft which use dissimilar materials won’t see the shrink for one to three annual heat soak cycles. A have scores of pictures of $25K + Lancair paint jobs which enter the area just after the builder gets through recovering from their investment. It sneaks up and bites the big one.
No RV builder is going to see this phenomena for some time, unless their aircraft is left in the sun of FL, TX or AZ and out in the elements for an extended period. This is one of the unfortunate truisms of composite matrix. David’s findings were most interesting to view after Copperstate. His modifications to the shoulder harness mount are even more revealing when you address the subject of Safety and post crash survivability. Oh yeh, I forgot, statistically no RV-10s have crashed yet. Only one had an unfortunate landing in CA.
John C
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: glassing rivets into glass
Two pictures of my Glastar ; One had the rivets in the cowl seamed over with a single layer (1") of E glass. The rivets holding the oil access door did not have a layer of glass. The rivet heads appeared between 100-200 TT.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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Whoops! sorry folks. Starting to make a holiday list and hit the send button by accident.
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:16 PM
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Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Okay, let's go through the add on stuff. I'm up to the following:
Camera in the VS
VS intake for overhead mounted air vents (ala Ed's)
Space saved for air conditioning
LED position lights all around
HID in both wings
Wig wag in wing tips
Pitot/static test port at the panel
Alternate static?
New seat belt attach points?
Return line for tanks?
Halon system
Firewall material?
Holly Cowl
Barrette engine
exhaust?
| Quote: | From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Chris –
David can best post in the first person. I think Safety improvements are a For Sure thing to do. Halon Fire Suppression, Shoulder harness airbags , Pitot/Static test port at the panel, but the real deal winner was the improvement on the four passenger shoulder mounts into the composite substrate. His battery retention bracket was pretty cool too. Glassing over rivets was more Aesthetic than Safety
I always apply S.A.F.E to all of VAN’s final product. Can it be made (S)afer; more (A)esthetically pleasing; can the (F)unctionality be enhanced; and finally can things be finished more (E)rgonomically. I would like to think the RV-10 could be brought into the 21st century like the RV-12 which is by design VFR Day Only. I do love steam gages in WWII aircraft though. I am no fan of trying to stop a 200+ pound passenger being held down by a single point fastener than thinking a wet cardboard box can hold rocks. I am all for Glass EFIS and ergonomically canted panels and prudently placed controls. I still miss John Denver and Yes, my eight track is broken.
How about Emmett Smith and those Cowboys?
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:57 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Hey all –
I kind of expected there to be more discussion about this… John – what is the meaning of “David’s findings after Cooperstate” ? what are his modifications to the shoulder mount harness, and why are they good/bad? I can’t really tell from your post if you think it’s bad, good, or what the heck it all means. Are you poo-pooing or applauding? I’m considering using hard points in the cabin top for the rear seats seatbelts along with the stock front seat hard point locations. Is this a bad idea? I’m very much out of my element when it comes to composites, and it all seems very fragile to me, but whatever. Smarter people than me came up with this composite stuff. I’m just trying to catch up J
What say you all?
cj
#40410
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Just wondering what the "more revealing" findings were about the shoulder harness mods and thus the post crash survivability.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:10 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Composites, even VANs RV-10 canopies do not set until the matrix reaches final threshold temperature (Well above 175 degrees). Carbon fiber is usually cured in an oven under vacuum which aids the matrix to reach target and the resin to reach SET. Those aircraft which use dissimilar materials won’t see the shrink for one to three annual heat soak cycles. A have scores of pictures of $25K + Lancair paint jobs which enter the area just after the builder gets through recovering from their investment. It sneaks up and bites the big one.
No RV builder is going to see this phenomena for some time, unless their aircraft is left in the sun of FL, TX or AZ and out in the elements for an extended period. This is one of the unfortunate truisms of composite matrix. David’s findings were most interesting to view after Copperstate. His modifications to the shoulder harness mount are even more revealing when you address the subject of Safety and post crash survivability. Oh yeh, I forgot, statistically no RV-10s have crashed yet. Only one had an unfortunate landing in CA.
John C
#600
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: glassing rivets into glass
Two pictures of my Glastar ; One had the rivets in the cowl seamed over with a single layer (1") of E glass. The rivets holding the oil access door did not have a layer of glass. The rivet heads appeared between 100-200 TT.
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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| Quote: | From one John to another and another John to the rest of the list. You my
fine feathered friend speak in a dialect of riddles. Quite certain you know
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what you say, but for other, they may not be as near to your brain and
therefore our synapses may not be capable of picking up those strong,
electro-chemical impulses which you yourself respond to.
Perhaps a brief stint into the world of politics is in your future whether
you are aware of it or not. Sooner or later however, they will pin you down
and make you confess to your deepest beliefs and behaviors. Inhaled or not
or made up big stories. Although life is a circle you will not find many
who will see the end as the beginning and the beginning as the end.
Attempting to be more clear I am, but only my opinion it is.
A well laid up composite is much stronger than these sardine cans. Hate that
tin canning!
The harness for the rear seats is in my opinion in the correct position
being that it is in the truest opposite direction as the body will be going
in a crash, 180 degrees. But if you must change things, you would either
need to through bolt to a plate on the other side of the lid, because I
would not want to laminate in a hard point into the fiberglass/core
sandwich. Although that core is flimsy by itself, sandwiched with glass,
you can stand on it. Don't interrupt it. Unless you want to laminate a big
block of hardwood on top of the structure(ceiling) and glass the hell out of
it. That will look like sh....t! The hard points that the fabricators made
were laid up into the structure.
Also consider my email a few days ago about the impression of the main fuse
and the tail cone joining point. When that tail cone separates, all one has
to do is remember to hold onto the rear seat shoulder harness and you have
an ejection seat. You will be flying a canard at that point.
Of course I am sure most of you have not considered a backpack parachute.
Then again, there is no guarantee that one will be able to get out of the
aircraft, but one thing is for certain, I would rather have a fighting
chance then to helplessly wait as the ground rises up to meet me. It could
be several minutes of thinking that you made the wrong choice.
Being a sailplane guy, I fly with a parachute all the time. I need to
purchase only two more.
Last August a corporate jet slammed into a glider near Minden, Nv.
Fortunately all involved survived. But the glider pilot bailed out after
his last few feet of wing got permanently imbedded in the Hawker's nose.
Three summers ago a MD80 nearly took me out at 15K while I thermalled. My
transponder was squawking 1200 in mode C.
This is why I am concerned about all these fancy glass panels, very sexy
indeed and we all know what happens when many of us guys pass one of these
while driving a car. The neck is on that spring swivel, but for some reason,
many of us gentlemen have springs that don't recoil very fast. I guess I
am starting to not be real clear either. What say you, Lynn.
Seriously, here is a great set of composite videos to look for and they are
quite enjoyable too.
Look for Mike Arnold's AR-5 tapes. It is a series and you can get the ones
that most interest you.
The AR-5 is a foam core fiberglass single seat airplane he made flying with
65Hp rotax that went over 200mph in level flight. Now, that's what I'm
talking about. Cleaner ship, less Hp, less fuel. Plastic is really cool once
you learn about them.
John, in case you can't tell, I always like what you say and the way you say
it.
JOhn G. Writing, not building. No more progress then where I was yesterday.
[quote]From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:20:12 -0800
Chris -
David can best post in the first person. I think Safety improvements
are a For Sure thing to do. Halon Fire Suppression, Shoulder harness
airbags , Pitot/Static test port at the panel, but the real deal winner
was the improvement on the four passenger shoulder mounts into the
composite substrate. His battery retention bracket was pretty cool too.
Glassing over rivets was more Aesthetic than Safety
I always apply S.A.F.E to all of VAN's final product. Can it be made
(S)afer; more (A)esthetically pleasing; can the (F)unctionality be
enhanced; and finally can things be finished more (E)rgonomically. I
would like to think the RV-10 could be brought into the 21st century
like the RV-12 which is by design VFR Day Only. I do love steam gages in
WWII aircraft though. I am no fan of trying to stop a 200+ pound
passenger being held down by a single point fastener than thinking a wet
cardboard box can hold rocks. I am all for Glass EFIS and ergonomically
canted panels and prudently placed controls. I still miss John Denver
and Yes, my eight track is broken.
How about Emmett Smith and those Cowboys?
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:57 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Hey all -
I kind of expected there to be more discussion about this... John -
what is the meaning of "David's findings after Cooperstate" ? what are
his modifications to the shoulder mount harness, and why are they
good/bad? I can't really tell from your post if you think it's bad,
good, or what the heck it all means. Are you poo-pooing or applauding?
I'm considering using hard points in the cabin top for the rear seats
seatbelts along with the stock front seat hard point locations. Is this
a bad idea? I'm very much out of my element when it comes to
composites, and it all seems very fragile to me, but whatever. Smarter
people than me came up with this composite stuff. I'm just trying to
catch up 
What say you all?
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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You missed this one,
ACME
Instant runway.
Just add liquid and through out of aircraft. Guaranteed to produce a
perfectly smooth 3500 foot runwway surface in 35.5 seconds form time of
exposure to moisture.
Recommended storage location, between the legs. Male pilots must fly with
fly down.
Comes with sticker for placement next to master switch, remember: ZIP IT UP!
JOhn G. Do Not Archive
[quote]From: "John Jessen" <jjessen(at)rcn.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: FW: glassing rivets into glass
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:17:25 -0500
Whoops! sorry folks. Starting to make a holiday list and hit the send
button by accident.
do not archive
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From: John Jessen [mailto:jjessen(at)rcn.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:16 PM
To: 'rv10-list(at)matronics.com'
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Okay, let's go through the add on stuff. I'm up to the following:
Camera in the VS
VS intake for overhead mounted air vents (ala Ed's)
Space saved for air conditioning
LED position lights all around
HID in both wings
Wig wag in wing tips
Pitot/static test port at the panel
Alternate static?
New seat belt attach points?
Return line for tanks?
Halon system
Firewall material?
Holly Cowl
Barrette engine
exhaust?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Chris -
David can best post in the first person. I think Safety improvements are a
For Sure thing to do. Halon Fire Suppression, Shoulder harness airbags ,
Pitot/Static test port at the panel, but the real deal winner was the
improvement on the four passenger shoulder mounts into the composite
substrate. His battery retention bracket was pretty cool too. Glassing
over
rivets was more Aesthetic than Safety
I always apply S.A.F.E to all of VAN's final product. Can it be made
(S)afer; more (A)esthetically pleasing; can the (F)unctionality be
enhanced;
and finally can things be finished more (E)rgonomically. I would like to
think the RV-10 could be brought into the 21st century like the RV-12 which
is by design VFR Day Only. I do love steam gages in WWII aircraft though. I
am no fan of trying to stop a 200+ pound passenger being held down by a
single point fastener than thinking a wet cardboard box can hold rocks. I
am all for Glass EFIS and ergonomically canted panels and prudently placed
controls. I still miss John Denver and Yes, my eight track is broken.
How about Emmett Smith and those Cowboys?
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:57 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: glassing rivets into glass
Hey all -
I kind of expected there to be more discussion about this. John - what is
the meaning of "David's findings after Cooperstate" ? what are his
modifications to the shoulder mount harness, and why are they good/bad? I
can't really tell from your post if you think it's bad, good, or what the
heck it all means. Are you poo-pooing or applauding? I'm considering
using hard points in the cabin top for the rear seats seatbelts along with
the stock front seat hard point locations. Is this a bad idea? I'm very
much out of my element when it comes to composites, and it all seems very
fragile to me, but whatever. Smarter people than me came up with this
composite stuff. I'm just trying to catch up
What say you all?
cj
#40410
fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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David,
How would you strengthen the hard points and what size CS SS washer are you using IF you just go with Vans standard belts? These CS SS washers available at ACS or other places?
Anyone else improved the hardpoints on their top or is this an issue of overkill?
Thanks,
DEAN 40449
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: glassing rivets into glass |
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you can see the pictures of our process on www.inertialbelts.com under airframe prep. In short we are spreading the load over a much larger area and we added additional layers of E-glass and tied all hardpoints together with structural glass mat.
we are using http://aircraft-spruce.com/catalog/hapages/stainlesswashers.php. I looked at www.mcmaster.com #98466A030 and found one for a #5 screw; however the picture does not look the same as the Spruce stuff.
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