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pierre(at)danieljofriel.c
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 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement. Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
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n8vim(at)arrl.net
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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It all depends on how many airplanes you want to build!
-Jim 40384
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Pierre Levy wrote:
| Quote: | I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this
week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took
away two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good
aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement.
Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the
build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with
that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
EAA 767961 (Teetering on the edge of the precipice, and wondering
whether to jump off)
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KiloPapa
Joined: 24 May 2006
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Location: Pearblossom, CA
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Pierre,
You will hone and use the same skills in either one. The
real question, I believe, is do you need/want a four place
or a two place airplane?
Kevin
40494
empennage
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From: "Pierre Levy" <pierre(at)danieljofriel.com>
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Teetering on the edge
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:55:51 -0700
| Quote: | I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway
this week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful
, and I took away two essential points. First, I damaged a
lot of perfectly good aluminum, and my technique is going
to need a lot of refinement. Second, it's going to take a
long, long time to build a 10. Is the build time for a
two-seater significantly less? Should I start with that?
Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
EAA 767961 (Teetering on the edge of the precipice, and
wondering whether to jump off)
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Personally I think an RV-7/9 would take about the same amount of time,
and possibly more. The RV-8 may be in the same ballpark too now
with it's matched-hole kit. I seriously doubt you'd save more than
a small percentage of time, and in fact you may need more time.
The RV-10 kit goes together pretty quickly and has plans that are
2nd to none despite the small issues. FWIW, I finished my RV-10
in almost the same exact amount of hours that another local
builder finished his 9, and mine is more complex by far, plus
I did my own panel and paint and he outsourced his.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Pierre Levy wrote:
| Quote: | I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this
week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away
two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good
aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement.
Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the
build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with
that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
EAA 767961 (Teetering on the edge of the precipice, and wondering
whether to jump off)
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Don’t jump, cause RV-10 builders are like lemmings. Patience is a virtue and to my knowledge not even Dan has completed an RV-10 yet. Having helped on 7s and 9s the scale is “Upscale” and worth the climb. I have the utmost respect for those who have completed 10’s cause they are an exclusive group. I do miss James McClow though.
John - #600
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Levy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:56 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Teetering on the edge
I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement. Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
EAA 767961 (Teetering on the edge of the precipice, and wondering whether to jump off)
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jjessen
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Location: OR
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Pierre,
Kevin speaks the wisdom here. Mission. Then go build. Some folks have
finished a QB -9 in less than a year. Others have taken considerably
longer. I believe the -10 is capable of being built and flown in less than
1.5 years. But I'll not come even close to that. However, four seats is my
desire, so I'm doing it. Mission. Then go build.
John Jessen
#40328 (buildus interruptus)
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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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JUST DO IT!
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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I say go for the -10. I am a first time builder, damaged a lot of perfectly good al and have had a blast. I have a guy building a -9 a couple of hangers away and I do not see much time difference.
Far as lemmings are concerned, I don’t think they jump, they are pushed….I don’t want to push anyone out of this groups, but I agree that it all depends on your mission…..I don’t think I would have gone the -10 route if I did not need the two additional seats.
Rene' Felker
40322
Finish……..or something like it.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:19 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Teetering on the edge
Don’t jump, cause RV-10 builders are like lemmings. Patience is a virtue and to my knowledge not even Dan has completed an RV-10 yet. Having helped on 7s and 9s the scale is “Upscale” and worth the climb. I have the utmost respect for those who have completed 10’s cause they are an exclusive group. I do miss James McClow though.
John - #600
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Levy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:56 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Teetering on the edge
I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement. Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
EAA 767961 (Teetering on the edge of the precipice, and wondering whether to jump off)
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kearney(at)shaw.ca
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Pierre
As one of the newer additions to the building club I say just jump in. The water is fine. Trust me! Have I ever misled you before?
Actually, I don’t think you can ever be fully ready to build except that you go into it with an open mind, a willingness to make mistakes, a willingness to learn and a desire to create something with your own hands.
Cheers.
Les Kearney
RV10 # 40643 - Vertical Stab / Rudder
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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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A little anecdote that may help you decide.
My wife can talk the leg off an iron pot. I took her for a fly in C152. We had been married for 20 years at that stage, and she said absolutely nothing for 45 mins (first time ever!!!) - she was terrified. Not of my flying, but she was claustraphobic in the two seat cabin. Took her in a 172, Warrior, Arrow etc and she was fine. When I said I was going to build, the decision was simple - if it was a two seater, I would be doing a lot of solo flying.
Don't believe what they say - size really DOES matter.
cheers,
Ron
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Levy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:56 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Teetering on the edge
I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement. Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
EAA 767961 (Teetering on the edge of the precipice, and wondering whether to jump off)
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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Mate fly them all and make your own mind up!!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
kind regards Chris
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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Patience is a virtue and to my knowledge not even Dan has completed an RV-10 yet
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Dan sold his kit earlier this year. He told me why in June but I forget why- think he was having too much fun flying formation with his flying (unpainted and to remain so for a while) RV
Pascal
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jchang10
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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I have a friend building a -9, who started about 3 years ago or so. Some of the pros I see are:
- cost is significantly less expensive. the kit is less. also, his new engine was in the $20k price range from aerosport, for an IO-320, i think. he probably also had a greater choice of engines to choose from, i believe. this may be just because the -9 has been available longer - not sure.
the lycoming 540 is the most mentioned, and the only van's supported engine for the -10. however, recently, i thought i just read that even angle-valve versions are not feasible. i am too far away from choosing an engine to be much more knowledgable about the subject.
- plane is much smaller, which is attractive from a build perspective for space-challenged workspaces.
- smaller parts means fewer edges and holes to deburr, fewer rivets to set, and a faster build time, let's say if you could start both models in some parallel universe.
- finally, a tailwheel version is available!!!
As far as cons go:
- his plans came in 2 separate parts: instructions and diagrams. Not sure if the current plans are the same. The integrated -10 plans are definitely much nicer to work with.
Personally, i still would not change, at least not yet. We'll see once my bank account has fewer zeroes in it! I just wanted to give you some other tradeoffs to weigh in a decision, that i made myself a year ago.
Let us know what you decide!
Jae
#40533
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Levy
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:56 PM
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Subject: Teetering on the edge
I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement. Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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Pierre,
Are you married? If so, 1) there has been a lot of spouse input on the topic of building lately, and you can find it on Tim O’s site, and 2) get your spouse’s input! I was going to build a Mustang II until my wife said, “If you’re going to build anything then it needs to have four seats.” Yes Ma’am!!!
If not married, then the best advice has already been given – 1) mission, 2) build it!
Rob Wright
#392
No seats yet…
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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:56 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Teetering on the edge
I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement. Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
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I've built both a RV-9A and a RV-10. It took me 2 yr and 7 months to the finish the 9 in 1863 hours. It was painted except for the cowl and the wheel pants were not completed. My RV-10 was finished in 1 yr and 10 months for a total of 2200 hours with no paint or wheel pants. Both of these projects were slow build. I can say first hand that the 10 has a lot more rivets and a lot more structure to complete. As you can see the 10 took about 400 more hours and this was after all the experience I gained from building the 9 first.
Both the 9 and 10 are both fully matched hole so it is really going to come down to "do you need 2 seats or four seat" or to just want all the extra space to haul things like camping gear, golf clubs etc. I have to tell you, I love flying the 10 even if I fly it alone. It handles so nice and if I don't care about speed, I fly at 20" at 2,000 rpm and burn 8.0 - 8.5 GPH at any altitude for that $100 hamburger or to the nearest airport to grab breakfast.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250) Flying
175 hours and counting.
Almost ready for IFR checkride in my RV-10.
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| Quote: | I attended the RV assembly workshop taught by Dan Checkoway this
week-end in Watsonville. Very informative and helpful, and I took away
two essential points. First, I damaged a lot of perfectly good
aluminum, and my technique is going to need a lot of refinement.
Second, it's going to take a long, long time to build a 10. Is the
build time for a two-seater significantly less? Should I start with
that? Thinking maybe the RV-9A? Many thanks for your comments.
Pierre Levy
EAA 767961 (Teetering on the edge of the precipice, and wondering
whether to jump off)
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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: Teetering on the edge |
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I wanted to build an 8. Then my wife surprised me with a 10 kit for my birthday and said if you are going to build a plane, the whole family has to be able to fly. How could I argue? I agree with "Build for the best mission."
Dave Leikam
40496
tailcone - (dimple, dimple, dimple...)
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