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renewhall2(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

I would like to offer my CFI services (and airplane) 

to the list for RV7 transition training in Colorado. 

I am located at Longmont, CO (KLMO).  My airplane is

an RV7 with an O360 Lycoming with a constant speed

prop.  The rate is $140 per hour Hobbs (includes the

airplane, fuel, instructor, and any ground

instruction).



Bob Newhall, CFI, Airplane & Glider 

renewhall2(at)yahoo.com

303-819-1482 cell

 

Cheap talk?

skydive80020(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

Having done recurrency with Bob in his aircraft I can vouch for his capabilities, he does a great job and you will be well prepared to fly your RV.

   

  Mark Phipps, N242RP, Gypsy Spirit



"Robert E. Newhall II" <renewhall2(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV-List message posted by: "Robert E. Newhall II" 



I would like to offer my CFI services (and airplane) 

to the list for RV7 transition training in Colorado. 

I am located at Longmont, CO (KLMO). My airplane is

an RV7 with an O360 Lycoming with a constant speed

prop. The rate is $140 per hour Hobbs (includes the

airplane, fuel, instructor, and any ground

instruction).



Bob Newhall, CFI, Airplane & Glider 

renewhall2(at)yahoo.com

303-819-1482 cell



Cheap  [quote][b]

dan(at)rvproject.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:06 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

I almost hesitate to mention this, but I'm curious  how you get around the "No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons  or property for compensation or hire" clause in the operating  limitations?

  

 do not archive

 )_( Dan

RV-7 N714D

http://www.rvproject.com

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

He charges $10/hr to  split the gas and $130/hr for his CFI time?  He is for hire, not the  plane?  There're a lot more tortured machinations that occur with  regulations than that interpretation.  But the arrangement seems like a  safe, effective and reasonably economical way to encourage and enhance pilot  training so, I would have to think the FAA would be against  it.

  

Chuck Jensen 

  

 

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

 	  Quote: 	
		  I almost hesitate to mention this, but I'm curious how you get around the "No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire" clause in the operating limitations? 	


 Does the FAA care about SAFETY?  If so, what is safer than getting someone

 proficient in an aircraft before they make a first flight?  Given that safety is

 #1, any rule that works against it is not worth complying with.



 Ron Lee    [quote][b]

billshook2000(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

Nothing is ever a legal problem until something goes wrong.  Say the engine fails and

the paying customer gets hurt in the crash landing....a lawyer would have a field day

with the CFI in court.  If you ever see a lawyer walk into a courtroom smiling from ear

to ear..chances are there is someone at the other table using this type of logic.  I

hope he is very well insured.  That being said, thank god for the CFI's willing to do

this.



Bill

 	  Quote: 	
		   He charges $10/hr to split the gas and $130/hr for his CFI time?  He is

 for hire, not the plane?  There're a lot more tortured machinations that

 occur with regulations than that interpretation.  But the arrangement

 seems like a safe, effective and reasonably economical way to encourage

 and enhance pilot training so, I would have to think the FAA would be

 against it.

  

 Chuck Jensen

khorton01(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

The EAA, Small Aircraft Manufacturers Association and the National  

Association of Flight Instructors petitioned the FAA for an exemption  

to the FARs to allow flight training in experimental aircraft.  Their  

request was granted via exemption 7162, which is currently at  

revision 7162D.  There are numerous conditions which must be complied  

with:



            1.   The aircraft must-



                 (a)  Have been granted an experimental certificate

                      under Section 21.191(c), (d), (g), or (h);



                 (b)  Be inspected in accordance with the provisions of

                      Section 91.409(b) for a 100-hour condition

                      inspection, or, for turbine-powered aircraft, in

                      accordance with an FAA-approved inspection program

                      that meets the scope and detail of the

                      requirements of Section 91.409(e), (f)(4), and

                      (g);



                 (c)  Be operated and maintained, including a yearly

                      condition inspection, in accordance with the

                      FAA-approved operating limitations; and



                 (d)  Have completed phase I flight testing and be

                      operating in phase II in accordance with the

                      operating limitations made a part of the

                      airworthiness certificate issued for the aircraft.



            2.   All inspections conducted under this exemption must be

                 recorded in an appropriate maintenance record with the

                 following statement:



                      "I certify that this aircraft has been inspected

                      on (insert date) in accordance with Condition

                      No. 1 of Exemption No. 7162, as amended, and found

                      to be in a condition for safe operation."



                 This entry must include the aircraft total time in

                 service and the name, signature, certificate number,

                 and type of certificate held by the person performing

                 the inspection.  Only an FAA-certificated mechanic with

                 airframe and powerplant ratings or an FAA-certificated

                 repairman (provided the repairman is the original

                 builder of the aircraft) may perform this inspection

                 and make the entry in the maintenance record.



            3.   Aircraft-specific training under this exemption must be



                 provided by an authorized instructor as described in

                 Section 61.1(b)(2) or the holder of a Letter of

                 Operational Authority issued by the Administrator for

                 that particular type of aircraft.



            4.   An aircraft-specific flight and ground training

                 syllabus must be prepared by the instructor providing

                 the training for use during the training program and

                 must be made available to the Administrator upon

                 request.  The instructor conducting the training

                 program must keep, for a period of 3 years, a record of

                 the training given.



            5.   The owners of aircraft operated under this exemption

                 must maintain a record that includes the name of the

                 person receiving training, the date of the training,

                 and the flight time.  Such records must be kept for a

                 period of 3 years and be made available to the

                 Administrator upon request.



            6.   Persons receiving aircraft-specific flight instruction

                 must have the endorsements required by Section 61.31(e)

                 through (j), as appropriate, before beginning training

                 under this exemption.



            7.   A copy of this exemption must be carried onboard the

                 aircraft during aircraft-specific flight training

                 conducted under this exemption.



            8.   EAA, SAMA, and NAFI must maintain a list of the

                 authorized users of this exemption.  This list must be

                 made available to the Administrator upon request, and

                 must contain the following information:



                 (a)  The name, address, and pilot certificate number of

                      the user; and



                 (b)  The make, model, and registration number of the

                      aircraft to be used.

You can find FAR exemptions at:



http://aes.faa.gov/



Kevin Horton



On 9 Dec 2006, at 08:07, Chuck Jensen wrote:



[quote] He charges $10/hr to split the gas and $130/hr for his CFI time?   

 He is for hire, not the plane?  There're a lot more tortured  

 machinations that occur with regulations than that interpretation.   

 But the arrangement seems like a safe, effective and reasonably  

 economical way to encourage and enhance pilot training so, I would  

 have to think the FAA would be against it.



 Chuck Jensen



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lamar(at)takeflighttexas.
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

thanks for answsering this question.  There was an article in sport aviation 

about a cfi in florida doing float and twin training in his experimental. I 

hope to be able to provide transition training in my plane using this 

exception.  Im going to try to do instrument and preliminary commercial 

training too.  Im not sure if I can yet but when i get to that point, ill do 

more research. If i recall correctly, the exemption is good for anything but 

primary training.  I really dont want to start a big long debate, so lets 

leave it at that.



Lamar

N969LS



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lm4(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

I could be wrong---,but, I believe I heard that the FAA had written papers  to mitigate this regulation for one or a few CFI,s training in sixes.

Larry  Mac Donald

lm4(at)juno.com (lm4(at)juno.com)

Rochester  N.Y.

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 On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 08:32:43 -0700 Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net (ronlee(at)pcisys.net)> writes:

 [quote]    	  Quote: 	
		  I almost      hesitate to mention this, but I'm curious how you get around the "No person      may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation      or hire" clause in the operating limitations? 	
    

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pcowper(at)webtv.net (Pet
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

". . . a lawyer would have a field day"



No, a greedy loved one who hired that lawyer to represent them.  Lawyers

can't start lawsuits on their own, their clients are the ones who decide

to sue someone.



Pete Cowper

RV-8 #81139

renewhall2(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: Colorado CFI for RV7 available

The FAA only allows rental of an experimental for

transition training and flight reviews.  The CFI/owner

needs to apply for an exemption through EAA.  You can

read about it and obtain the exemption here:



http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/pr/010706_faaexemption.html

Bob



Bob Newhall, CFI, Airplane & Glider 

RV7, N829RV

renewhall2(at)yahoo.com

303-819-1482 cell

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