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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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Wow, I just got a cost to subscribe to the update service for my GX60 and
MX20. I was shocked to learn it is $530 bucks a year via the skybound
service at Jeppesen. A one time update can be had for 115 bucks for the
GX60. What is everyone else doing? Are you updating once a year, twice, or
just paying the subscription price?
Come to think of it, the MX20 gets its data from the GPS, so why is there a
database in both of them? The mx is supposed to be an MFD which should only
be a display.
Thanks
Tim
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recapen(at)earthlink.net
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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Tim,
I've been waiting for someone else to scream about this.
I have the exact same equipment in my 6A (not flying yet). I have spare cards for both and a reader that allows me to create an image of all of my software so I know that I can back it up and store it on my PC hard disk. I was planning to eventually go with the subscription (I already have the skybound USB downloader gizmo) - but that will be right before I fly.
My understanding is that the MX20 does get it's position info from the GX60. The GX60 doesn't have terrain data which the MX superimposes. The MX20 can also display stuff that is not current in the GX60 - like where your destination and flight plan / waypoints. The GX60 will get to them when you get there - but the MX 20 can show you them now. ***My understanding*** If I'm wrong, please correct me!
Maybe we need a MX20/GX60 users group...undocumented......
My .02,
Ralph
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Subject: GX60 & MX20 updates
Wow, I just got a cost to subscribe to the update service for my GX60 and
MX20. I was shocked to learn it is $530 bucks a year via the skybound
service at Jeppesen. A one time update can be had for 115 bucks for the
GX60. What is everyone else doing? Are you updating once a year, twice, or
just paying the subscription price?
Come to think of it, the MX20 gets its data from the GPS, so why is there a
database in both of them? The mx is supposed to be an MFD which should only
be a display.
Thanks
Tim
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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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I just did an update on the 480 GPS and MX20. The database for the MX
is mostly terrain ($125), which doesn't change very often (unless you're
in KY and they keep removing mountains when they mine coal). The only
reason I updated the MX20 was I had v5.1 operating software and they
were up to v5.7, though I'm not sure I can tell the difference (refresh
rates are still measured in glacier-time). Because of the minor terrain
changes, I'll probably do it only once every few years.
On the other hand, I hadn't updated the 480 for almost 3 years and did a
one time update for something stupid like $225. Since there were a lot
of NDBs decommissioned and quite a few GPS approaches added in the last
three years, I thought it timely to update. Just to be legal, I carry
the current paper approach plates and enroute charts, but those are used
for advance briefing and monitoring the approach, while the A/P usually
flies it hooked to the GPS.
Jeppesen obsesses over the idea that someone may be able to sneak a free
upgrade somehow. Of course, to protect against that, they add multiple
levels of theft protection---which adds multiple layers of annoyance.
Jeppesen's position that two GPS in the same plane requires two full
subscriptions (less some small discount that could comfortably fit in a
thimble) is pretty cheeky, especially since we can only use one GPS at a
time---have you every tried looking at two at once! If anyone comes out
with a competing database, they have my business!
As Dan Checkoway commented when this opportunity came up in an earlier
discussion, "Mmmmmmm........"
Go to it, Dan!!!
Chuck Jensen
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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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Thanks Ralph,
I absolutely love my GX60/ MX20. I just paid to have all my flight guides
updated, and then realized I shouldn't need them if I have updated info in
my panel. I thought it was expensive. I guess I should just have more than
one airplane with the same equipment to share the data between. 
As far as what info is in which, I really have no idea. Would make sense
that as you say the terrain data is in the MX20. Positioning comes from the
GX60 along with the route data. They told me the GX60 update consisted of
waypoints and obstacles.
Tim
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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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Cool that is what I was hoping to hear. My MX20 was updated about a year
ago free gratis courtesy of Garmin. The GX60 maybe could be updated once a
year and be reasonable. Anybody else have thoughts?
Tim
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recapen(at)earthlink.net
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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I wish I had a fleet of airplanes with the same equipment - now that I know
how they work.
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romott(at)adelphia.net
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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When I purchased my first IFR GPS (Apollo SL60), the flight manual
supplement allowed updates every six months as long as data required for the
flight was verified before the flight.
So I purchased Jeppesen's paper chart subscription and watched for changes.
Guess what - VOR's, airports, and waypoints don't change very often. Many
of the changes the FAA and Jepp are so intent that we refresh every 56 days
are old changes. (new control towers, changes in frequencies are often
reported a couple of cycles after the fact). Other changes are a 20 feet
change in DH (like our altimeters are really that accurate) - or a different
location to get barometer readings from. Oh, and listening to my scanner,
controllers don't even have up-to-date plates. And their radar systems
don't depict IAF's for months after they are implemented.
Flying into Donaldson Center, Greer approach told me I could change to
advisory frequency. Somebody on the advisory frequency told me that
Donaldson has a control tower, and gave me the frequency. Our tax dollars
at work!!!!!!
So my new plane has a Garmin 430, and since it is experimental, I wrote the
operating manual - I allow updates once per year. I still verify approaches
for the airports I am flying into using AOPA's downloadable plates (THANK
YOU, AOPA!!!!) After 3 years, the worst error I had was the AWOS frequency
changed for an airport I was flying into.
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Kellym
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: GX60 & MX20 updates |
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A few points, as an ex-controller. Radar facilities don't depict IAP's on
the scope anyway. Some intersections may be depicted if they are important
to vectoring to the approach, and an extended centerline is usually
provided. Beyond that you simply cannot afford to clutter the scope with
that much info. Controllers have available to them current NACO plates,
not Jeppesen.
I have seen ILS frequencies change, approaches added and deleted, VORs
change frequencies as well as magnetic variation, runways change numbers,
etc. GPS has brought about more waypoint and airport name changes than
probably happened for 20 years previous and a lot of approaches have been
added. The cost of every cycle updates in in the neighborhood of 100 gal
of gas, more or less. Yes, I would rather have it in gas..so I use AWM's
Pocket Plates that update for about $145 a year, with download updates
whenever you want them. Print whatever ones you plan to use.
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When I purchased my first IFR GPS (Apollo SL60), the flight manual
supplement allowed updates every six months as long as data required for
the
flight was verified before the flight.
So I purchased Jeppesen's paper chart subscription and watched for
changes.
Guess what - VOR's, airports, and waypoints don't change very often. Many
of the changes the FAA and Jepp are so intent that we refresh every 56
days
are old changes. (new control towers, changes in frequencies are often
reported a couple of cycles after the fact). Other changes are a 20 feet
change in DH (like our altimeters are really that accurate) - or a
different
location to get barometer readings from. Oh, and listening to my scanner,
controllers don't even have up-to-date plates. And their radar systems
don't depict IAF's for months after they are implemented.
Flying into Donaldson Center, Greer approach told me I could change to
advisory frequency. Somebody on the advisory frequency told me that
Donaldson has a control tower, and gave me the frequency. Our tax dollars
at work!!!!!!
So my new plane has a Garmin 430, and since it is experimental, I wrote
the
operating manual - I allow updates once per year. I still verify
approaches
for the airports I am flying into using AOPA's downloadable plates (THANK
YOU, AOPA!!!!) After 3 years, the worst error I had was the AWOS
frequency
changed for an airport I was flying into.
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