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 Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:50 am Post subject: FAA fines |
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Arty (Trost) and group,
You mentioned that you know of a guy that was fined $4000 by the FAA.
Would you happen to have a case number that we could check. We have
many pilots that are not transitioning to SP that believe the FAA
will not enforce the rule due to lack of manpower or other reasons.
They are looking for a proof of enforcement. If you could provide
some proof, it may have an impact on them.
Thanks,
Ralph Burlingame
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Arty Trost
Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Sandy, Oregon
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: FAA fines |
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I don't have a case number - but you should be able to
track it down. It happened in Nampa, ID within the
past 18 mo. The fine was related to a BFI flying a
legitimate ultralight trainer over congestion to get
into Nampa Airport (where many ultralights are based.)
My understanding is that this happened even though the
Nampa Airport commission had approved a flight pattern
for ultralights and have good relationships with the
ultralighters. Under Sport Pilot - you CAN fly over
congestion.
By the way - my operating limitations (issued with my
airworthiness certificate in November, 2006) specify
that I can fly over congestion for purposes of landing
and taking off. In July, that limitation was changed
(and apparently I need to ask the FAA at our FSDO to
change my operating limitations to reflect current
regs) so that a E-LSA can fly over congestion even
when not required for taking off or landing.
Ralph, I have to add that I too have my doubts that
the FAA will have the staff to enforce Sport Pilot.
My understanding is that nationwide there are fewer
than 700 pilots transitioning themselves or their
"fat" ultralights. Quicksilver is running full-page
ads in Light Sport and Ultralight Flying! urging
people to transition, saying that there are at least
4500 Quick owners who still need to transition. (Of
course, we don't know how many of those are still
flying or still have planes, not pieces!)
Arty
--- Ralph <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> wrote:
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<ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Arty (Trost) and group,
You mentioned that you know of a guy that was fined
$4000 by the FAA.
Would you happen to have a case number that we could
check. We have
many pilots that are not transitioning to SP that
believe the FAA
will not enforce the rule due to lack of manpower or
other reasons.
They are looking for a proof of enforcement. If you
could provide
some proof, it may have an impact on them.
Thanks,
Ralph Burlingame
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: FAA fines |
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Regarding pilots getting their SP, I attended an
after-the-business-meeting
beer drinking fest with the members of RUFF (rochester ultralight fun
flyers)
on wednesday night. There are several Kolb owners, 3 MkIIIs, some FSs.
Two have gotten their SP this past summer and more are working on it or
intending. Good bunch and I hope to fly along with them in the future.
BB do not archive
On 29, Dec 2006, at 11:17 AM, TheWanderingWench wrote:
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<thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
I don't have a case number - but you should be able to
track it down. It happened in Nampa, ID within the
past 18 mo. The fine was related to a BFI flying a
legitimate ultralight trainer over congestion to get
into Nampa Airport (where many ultralights are based.)
My understanding is that this happened even though the
Nampa Airport commission had approved a flight pattern
for ultralights and have good relationships with the
ultralighters. Under Sport Pilot - you CAN fly over
congestion.
By the way - my operating limitations (issued with my
airworthiness certificate in November, 2006) specify
that I can fly over congestion for purposes of landing
and taking off. In July, that limitation was changed
(and apparently I need to ask the FAA at our FSDO to
change my operating limitations to reflect current
regs) so that a E-LSA can fly over congestion even
when not required for taking off or landing.
Ralph, I have to add that I too have my doubts that
the FAA will have the staff to enforce Sport Pilot.
My understanding is that nationwide there are fewer
than 700 pilots transitioning themselves or their
"fat" ultralights. Quicksilver is running full-page
ads in Light Sport and Ultralight Flying! urging
people to transition, saying that there are at least
4500 Quick owners who still need to transition. (Of
course, we don't know how many of those are still
flying or still have planes, not pieces!)
Arty
--- Ralph <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> wrote:
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> <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
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> Arty (Trost) and group,
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> You mentioned that you know of a guy that was fined
> $4000 by the FAA.
> Would you happen to have a case number that we could
> check. We have
> many pilots that are not transitioning to SP that
> believe the FAA
> will not enforce the rule due to lack of manpower or
> other reasons.
> They are looking for a proof of enforcement. If you
> could provide
> some proof, it may have an impact on them.
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Burlingame
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>
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d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: FAA fines |
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At 11:17 AM 12/29/2006, TheWanderingWench wrote:
| Quote: | ...The fine was related to a BFI flying a
legitimate ultralight trainer over congestion to get
into Nampa Airport (where many ultralights are based.)...
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That's a bit different from the original discussion about enforcement of
overweight machines when everything else is compliant. They've pursued
congested area or open air assembly violations whenever anybody
complains. There have even been a number of recent enforcement cases
against PPG's for congested area violations (including one case where they
interpreted a busy road that a pilot crossed as a congested area).
| Quote: | Ralph, I have to add that I too have my doubts that
the FAA will have the staff to enforce Sport Pilot.
My understanding is that nationwide there are fewer
than 700 pilots transitioning themselves or their
"fat" ultralights...
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True, they don't have the manpower to do widespread enforcement. However,
they can (and I suspect they will) take random "potshots" to make examples
of a few, like checking every plane at a few busy ultralight fields.
I think there will be a LOT more than 700 pilots transitioning... a lot of
them are simply waiting until the last minute, or until they hear of
enforcements starting.
-Dana
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: FAA fines |
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| That's a bit different from the original discussion about
enforcement of
| overweight machines when everything else is compliant. |
| -Dana
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Dana:
Don't believe there is any such animal as an overweight ultralight
vehicle. Soon as they hit 254 lbs, they are now aircraft/airplanes.
I flew illegally, for the first six years of my UL career, in all the
States east of the Mississippi and some west of it. Also illegally
into Canada. I was never comfortable in this position for two
reasons: 1-Was contantly breaking the law, 2-Could not get liability
insurance. However, I rationalized that since I looked like an UL and
if I flew without drawing attention to myself, which I did not do a
good job of, I would be ok.
Stop for a moment and think about the high dollar airplanes one is
mingling with at almost any local airport. Accidently ding a Cessna
Citation and pay for it the rest of your life.
1992, I realized how much more comfortable I was flying my
experiemental/homebuilt registered airplane with insurance. Did not
have to constantly look over my shoulder.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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kfackler(at)ameritech.net
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: FAA fines |
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| Quote: | > My understanding is that nationwide there are fewer
> than 700 pilots transitioning
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| Quote: | Two have gotten their SP this past summer and more are working on it or
intending.
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If there are only 700 transitions, we seem to have a large number of them
right here. There are three on my home field, all Kolbs, and I seem to
recall several others here who announced their recent successes including
the late Dave Pelletier. I also know one other recent SP, yet another Kolb
owner, but who isn't based at my airport.
Surely there must be more than 700?
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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