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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I connected it 

to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked their programming.  XM 

does not have NPR so I really need to go with Sirius. I have at least one 

more year before flying and my building hours require NPR.



Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.  What 

systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?



Lastly, this is a crazy question.  Back when I flew power, all the planes 

had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and right hand on the 

throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the glider, 600+ hours (With no 

Throttle) that I really believe that landing the 10 and power adjustments 

will be strange, having to put the stick in the left hand and opperate the 

throttle with the right.



Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls, one on 

the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for anyone.  Power 

to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.



On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be thought of 

as power.



Anyone want to take a stab at this.



John G.



#409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in the 

shop that keeps loosing reception.

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

John Gonzalez wrote:



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		   Lastly, this is a crazy question.  Back when I flew power, all the 

 planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and 

 right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the 

 glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that 

 landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put 

 the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.



 Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls, 

 one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for 

 anyone.  Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.



 On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be 

 thought of as power.



 Anyone want to take a stab at this.



 John G. 


	


I fly an S-1 Pitts, a Grumman AA-1B (2 place) and a Traumahawk.  I don't 

seem to have any problem 'switching hands' as it were.

Linn ......RV-10 later this month!

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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

On Behalf Of John Gonzalez

Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.  What 

systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?

Anyone want to take a stab at this.

John G.

John, there has been rumors of a possible weather data link from Sirius, but

last I knew it wasn't up and running yet. Unfortunately, I don't remember

the name of the provider, but they currently offer an aviation weather

service for smart phones and such.

Then they would need to get the avionics vendors on board as well.

Anyone have any more current info?

Craig Smith

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SN: 0078

"Just think how stupid the average person is,
and then realize that half of them are even stupider!"
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james.k.hovis(at)gmail.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

John,

   The only thing I ever flew were yoke a/c (C172 & AA1A) until my CFI

gave me a ride in his O-1 Birddog and let me take the stick for while.

It took me a minute to learn right-hand stick handling (throttle is on

left). I think it's the same as CFI's learning to fly from the right

seat too, a skill that needs to be learned, but very masterable. I

think you should set up the controls to be as comfortable to you as

you want, but remember if you have to sell your bird in the future,

anything "non-standard" might detract to the value of your bird to a

potential buyer.



I see a couple options beyond the as designed set-up if you're REALLY

uncomfortable flying with left hand on stick:



1) install a left hand sidewall quadrant in addition to the center

quadrant/push-pull engine controls. Main drawback is added weight for

the interlocking linkage you'll need for the two controls. But, this

maintains the "standard" right seat controls for dual pilot

operations.



2) only go with controls on the left side. Saves weight, but you lose

utility if you need dual training.



Really, I don't think learning to fly left hand on a stick will be so

difficult that you need to alter the designed set-up of the airplane.



JKH

On 1/5/07, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> wrote:

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 My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I connected it

 to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked their programming.  XM

 does not have NPR so I really need to go with Sirius. I have at least one

 more year before flying and my building hours require NPR.



 Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.  What

 systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?



 Lastly, this is a crazy question.  Back when I flew power, all the planes

 had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and right hand on the

 throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the glider, 600+ hours (With no

 Throttle) that I really believe that landing the 10 and power adjustments

 will be strange, having to put the stick in the left hand and opperate the

 throttle with the right.



 Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls, one on

 the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for anyone.  Power

 to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.



 On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be thought of

 as power.



 Anyone want to take a stab at this.



 John G.



 #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in the

 shop that keeps loosing reception.

Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

Not really a big deal.  I like flying with the stick in my right hand,

throttle in the left, as it is on my RV-4 and my Pietenpol Air Camper.

The only time I've flown with a stick in my left hand was in my friend's

RV-7, and it took about 2 minutes to get used to it.  Far more difficult

getting used to sitting on the left side of the plane when you are used

to flying on the centerline.



Jack Phillips

#40610

Still working on the Elevators



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

John Gonzalez wrote:

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 	  Quote: 	
		   Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.  What 

 systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?

 


	


WSI will be the sirius related provider of weather datalink.  They

have the signal up now, and customers will move to it by about

April 2007.  A complete migration to sirius will be done by

Septemer.

Additionally, if you're looking for Sirius music, you should

be highly interested in the PS Engineering 8000SR intercom/audio

panel. I have the 8000 standard (no sirius) and it's fantastic.

The 8000SR incorporates sirius satellite radio.



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		   John G.

 

 #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in 

 the shop that keeps loosing reception.

apilot2(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

On 1/5/07, James K Hovis <james.k.hovis(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I see a couple options beyond the as designed set-up if you're REALLY

 uncomfortable flying with left hand on stick:



 1) install a left hand sidewall quadrant in addition to the center

 quadrant/push-pull engine controls. Main drawback is added weight for

 the interlocking linkage you'll need for the two controls. But, this

 maintains the "standard" right seat controls for dual pilot

 operations.



 2) only go with controls on the left side. Saves weight, but you lose

 utility if you need dual training.



 Really, I don't think learning to fly left hand on a stick will be so

 difficult that you need to alter the designed set-up of the airplane.



 JKH


	


Or you could design the panel so you could have EFIS on either side,

and moving map on either side, so that you could be equally

comfortable flying it from either seat. I'm really thinking of

designing panel that way.

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

Re XM and Sirius

I'm an NPR builder (WUNC) and a 396 owner.  I thought I might feel your 

pain but I don't because:

- I have high speed Web access in my shop

- The best radio for NPR may be a Web connected PC streaming NPR from 

whatever you listen too.  Since my local NPR outlet is streamed 24 

hours, I can get exactly what I normally get, plus I can pick any of the 

other streaming sources and pickup shows I'm still discovering.  YMMV

- Almost all NPR shows are available as free podcasts.  More work but a 

good option when you want something specific

- My XM account allows me to stream (most of) XM's offerings on the Web. 

Does Sirius offer this?   I use that a lot more than I use the actual 

satellite thru my 396

- There's a recent news item speculating that it may be time for XM to 

acquire Sirius or vice-a-versa.  Potentially good and bad news I'd say



Re: Sticks, yokes, gliders, power, quadrants, push pulls and verniers

I've managed to fly all combinations at least a little bit and found 

very little adjustment required.  And very little preference given the 

aircraft involved.  After 5 hours, I'm not even thinking about it 

(except for the vernier throttle on my Maule - took at least 20 hours 

before it faded into proficiency).  I flew 1000+ glider hours 

uninterrupted by vibrator flying and found the 10 hour transition back 

was mainly about that little wheel in the back.  I wouldn't worry *at 

all* about power adjustments in the '10.  The throttle will never work 

as well as spoilers but who needs a stink'n  engine to hit a spot or 

grease it on?



I'm still drilling myself on "go arounds" as in,  "remember Mauledriver, 

if it doesn't look right you can go try it again".  There are a few 

off-fields where I wish that was an option 



Be Happy

Bill (riveting and riveting the tailcone and still trying to finish 

those darn elevators while the QB dusts over) Watson



John Gonzalez wrote:

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 My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I 

 connected it to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked 

 their programming.  XM does not have NPR so I really need to go with 

 Sirius. I have at least one more year before flying and my building 

 hours require NPR.



 Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.  

 What systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?



 Lastly, this is a crazy question.  Back when I flew power, all the 

 planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and 

 right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the 

 glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that 

 landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put 

 the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.



 Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle controls, 

 one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an issue for 

 anyone.  Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's what I was taught.



 On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be 

 thought of as power.



 Anyone want to take a stab at this.



 John G.



 #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio in 

 the shop that keeps loosing reception.

LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

Yeah, but you can get a dash mount or portable Sirius and plug it into

the audio in jack on a regular 8000, for significantly less than the

combo unit costs.

Dan

N289DT 



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

You can stream Sirius from the Web and it's also carried on DISH but

pared down a bit for duplicates like the news channels and such.  This

was discussed recently but you should try both before you buy if

possible.  I've had both for extended periods and ended up with Sirius

as my final choice, and not because of that tool they paid 500 million

to.  



Michael



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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

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Craig Smith
CH640 builder
SN: 0078

"Just think how stupid the average person is,
and then realize that half of them are even stupider!"
--George Carlin

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

http://www.wsi.com



Service plans: http://www.wsi.com/aviation/products/inflight/service.asp



The pricing model will likely change with the sirius system change,

from what I hear.  I don't know if there is any finality to it

yet.  I believe, but am not sure, that they're trying to better

give more models of service for tiered pricing, like what XM is

doing, so they're more competitive for the small GA planes.

But, until we see the pricing, that's just rumor.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

I got my wife Sirius last Xmas because of that tool they paid 500 

million to. 



I would suggest the portable route, this way you only have one subscription.



Larry Rosen

#356



RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

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 You can stream Sirius from the Web and it's also carried on DISH but

 pared down a bit for duplicates like the news channels and such.  This

 was discussed recently but you should try both before you buy if

 possible.  I've had both for extended periods and ended up with Sirius

 as my final choice, and not because of that tool they paid 500 million

 to.  



 Michael



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John Ackerman

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

Hey John

Suggest you get some time in (preferably) a RV-10 or another left  

stick airplane, see how it goes.

Just some personal experience:

I transitioned to a left -hand stick in a  Luscombe from various  

other yoke and center stick airplanes - seemed natural enough to me -  

never an issue. I might have had 3-400 hours at the time.

I also took a few hours with Alex this last December in his 10, and  

the stick in the left hand was not an issue,. There were times when I  

wanted to use my right hand to operate the coolie hat trim, though-  

strength required on stick. That was my first stick flying since I  

sold my glider in about 1998.

I'll bet you find this is not something to worry about.

John Ackerman

On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:41 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>



 My wife got my a XM radio receiver for Christmas, but before I  

 connected it to the car and hook it to the home stereo, I checked  

 their programming.  XM does not have NPR so I really need to go  

 with Sirius. I have at least one more year before flying and my  

 building hours require NPR.



 Garmin seems affiliated with XM and I wanted to have a 396 or 496.   

 What systems are afiliated with Sirius for weather data link?



 Lastly, this is a crazy question.  Back when I flew power, all the  

 planes had yokes, so it was easy to fly left hand on the yoke and  

 right hand on the throttle. I am so used to flying stick in the  

 glider, 600+ hours (With no Throttle) that I really believe that  

 landing the 10 and power adjustments will be strange, having to put  

 the stick in the left hand and opperate the throttle with the right.



 Two choices, fly from the right seat or have dual throttle  

 controls, one on the far left and one in the middle. Is this not an  

 issue for anyone.  Power to altitude, pitch to airspeed, that's  

 what I was taught.



 On the glider even the spoilers are left hand operated and can be  

 thought of as power.



 Anyone want to take a stab at this.



 John G.



 #409, everywhere and nowhere, and with a portable radioshack radio  

 in the shop that keeps loosing reception.

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

Man, I was beginning to wonder if anyone around here actually listened

to him.  Took long enough.  LMAO



Michael

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coop85(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: sirius VS XM, Throttle

John,

    Your concern is not uncommon, however I honestly feel it is overrated.

I have about 6000 hours, roughly half in fighters and the other half in

"small" Boeing and Airbus machines where I fly with the flight controls in

the right hand and throttle(s) in the left.  I managed to get about 100

hours in my RV-6 before the engine ate itself and have 119 in the RV-10.

The transition was definitely not an issue as far as sitting in the left

with a center throttle.  Switching to helicopter controls is a much bigger

event and people still manage to overcome it.



My recommendation would be to find someone who will let you fly left seat in

any Van's airplane and I suspect you will find that it is not a big issue.



Marcus

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