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 Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: happy with Van's rant- was Van's Motor Mount SB |
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I think there is nothing like a lively debate on Primers and in this case
the engine mount SB, but I know there are a whole lot of us that are set on
Van's. I followed a high level composite company for a few years. I was set
on a 4 seater and in a way it is no different than what I am doing now. I am
getting a sense of is this the right kit for me.
I am still around and pretty sure I'll be starting this kit in the next
couple of months, this is only after extensive research and following this
forum for less than 1 year. I had 3 years at the other forum and finally
gave up on it.. Largely because most of the builders complained about one
thing or another and somehow the price of the kit doubled with carbon and
quickerbuild and other nice upgrades thrown in. I think that last time I
looked the kit was now 82K, it was 38K when I started looking into it in
1998.
So Van's doesn't want to cater to each of us and our individual engine
choice (not including their stock). Fine! Barret has his solution- so BPA is
solved, Thunderbolt is competitive in this market enough that they might do
something too, and so on but the good news is the rest of us who want a
stock engine from Vans don't need to worry that the cost will go up more
than 3% next year as a result of the few. Why am I going to build a RV-10?
many reasons. Mark Chamberlain for one. He invited me, never knowing who I
was, to see and fly and yes, fly in his plane. I never had anyone, and I saw
over 12 of the composites from the other company, offer to fly me in the
plane. Than there's Jeff Carpenter, who took a morning to go over the kit
with me when he had pressing engagements to get to, theres Tim, and Deems,
and John and most of you. Basically this group of builders is solid and we
feel comfortable enough to speak our minds, in jest and seriously. Let's
remember we are all in this for the same reason. A solid company with 30
years experience building the largest fleet of experimentals out there. I am
NOT building this plane to be unique or impress my neighbors, I'm building
this plane, a Van's, because I know they do care about the builders, and
they have the record to prove it.
Nothing wrong with venting on delayed shipments and expensive shipping for
2c items from Van's or SB's that we are not in support of- we should be here
to support each other as I know, I too will be frustrated and want someone
who understands my frustration to be there for me. We are!
Lastly, Vendor support- I see what Barrett did by offering to resolve this
issue as excellent. Jon's response, from Thunderbolt, was professional and
shows he too is in this to make it work for all of us and Lycoming and I
also took that he understood Van's SB. Stein last month getting on to
comfort those stuck in the D2AV debacle and Mike from Cleveland chiming in
at times as well. They all may be in for the business, but they care about
the builders too!
All in all we are a great group of builders with great vendors who are right
there with us building and supporting us. I think Van's has the right to
publish as many SB's as they wish, as long as they don't try to keep
everyone happy and have an affordable kit be out of reach for the rest of
those who just want to build it!
And with this, I end my rant!
Pascal
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: happy with Van's rant- was Van's Motor Mount SB |
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Very nicely put.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: happy with Van's rant- was Van's Motor Mount SB |
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I don't usually chime in with the simple one-liners, but.....Amen!
This sure is a great group of people we have, and the more who
join in the more fun it gets.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Pascal wrote:
[quote]
I think there is nothing like a lively debate on Primers and in this
case the engine mount SB, but I know there are a whole lot of us that
are set on Van's. I followed a high level composite company for a few
years. I was set on a 4 seater and in a way it is no different than what
I am doing now. I am getting a sense of is this the right kit for me.
I am still around and pretty sure I'll be starting this kit in the next
couple of months, this is only after extensive research and following
this forum for less than 1 year. I had 3 years at the other forum and
finally gave up on it.. Largely because most of the builders complained
about one thing or another and somehow the price of the kit doubled with
carbon and quickerbuild and other nice upgrades thrown in. I think that
last time I looked the kit was now 82K, it was 38K when I started
looking into it in 1998.
So Van's doesn't want to cater to each of us and our individual engine
choice (not including their stock). Fine! Barret has his solution- so
BPA is solved, Thunderbolt is competitive in this market enough that
they might do something too, and so on but the good news is the rest of
us who want a stock engine from Vans don't need to worry that the cost
will go up more than 3% next year as a result of the few. Why am I going
to build a RV-10? many reasons. Mark Chamberlain for one. He invited me,
never knowing who I was, to see and fly and yes, fly in his plane. I
never had anyone, and I saw over 12 of the composites from the other
company, offer to fly me in the plane. Than there's Jeff Carpenter, who
took a morning to go over the kit with me when he had pressing
engagements to get to, theres Tim, and Deems, and John and most of you.
Basically this group of builders is solid and we feel comfortable enough
to speak our minds, in jest and seriously. Let's remember we are all in
this for the same reason. A solid company with 30 years experience
building the largest fleet of experimentals out there. I am NOT building
this plane to be unique or impress my neighbors, I'm building this
plane, a Van's, because I know they do care about the builders, and they
have the record to prove it.
Nothing wrong with venting on delayed shipments and expensive shipping
for 2c items from Van's or SB's that we are not in support of- we should
be here to support each other as I know, I too will be frustrated and
want someone who understands my frustration to be there for me. We are!
Lastly, Vendor support- I see what Barrett did by offering to resolve
this issue as excellent. Jon's response, from Thunderbolt, was
professional and shows he too is in this to make it work for all of us
and Lycoming and I also took that he understood Van's SB. Stein last
month getting on to comfort those stuck in the D2AV debacle and Mike
from Cleveland chiming in at times as well. They all may be in for the
business, but they care about the builders too!
All in all we are a great group of builders with great vendors who are
right there with us building and supporting us. I think Van's has the
right to publish as many SB's as they wish, as long as they don't try to
keep everyone happy and have an affordable kit be out of reach for the
rest of those who just want to build it!
And with this, I end my rant!
Pascal
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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:47 am Post subject: happy with Van's rant- was Van's Motor Mount SB |
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Very nice! This is probably one of the most gelled groups I have
encountered. Sometimes we argue like a family but rarely does it get
way out of hand like it can on other lists (anyone have an opinion on
10.5 mil settlements or over voltage protection on an alternator).
Honestly I think part of it has to do with we love our hobby and a
higher than average number of us are office types that would rather be
knee deep in grease types. Yes some of us are more vocal than others in
their opinions *ehem* and others are happy to go with the flow, but we
are always happy to meet up in OSH and crack open a beer and tell
stories. Never forget that and always remember this is email, it
doesn't carry emotions well so don't try to read into it.
Michael
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jjessen
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: happy with Van's rant- was Van's Motor Mount SB |
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Hobby! Hobby! This is no d&^%^ Hobby! This is life. This is passion.
This is what I live for, what I work for, what I gave up xes for! Hobby?
You nuts?
Ok, I'm ok. I'm calming down. I'll go to the hanger tonight and hook
myself up to the rivet gun. Get another fix.
Sorry
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