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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: FLAME OUTS

This raises a question in my mind regarding flame outs in a Kolb...

 IF your high enough to do the 180 you'll be down wind...



 Is the Kolb Firestar Rated for Side Slipping so to get as close to the

 end of he field as possible ????



  I notice they don't have flaps but flaperons.... Can you slip one to 

the deck...

 I did this in 152s all the time...



BTW

Given youve had so many flame outs and they've all been your fault

maybe you should take up  Hang Gliding... 



 Mark Vaughn



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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

I side slip my firestar on a regular basis  it sslips right in there with anyother flying machine without Flaps

 

    Ellery in Maine

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APilot(at)webtv.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

I would think any Kolb will side slip safely.  My Mark III does nicely.

The downwind situation is true, but it is less of a problem when one

lets the plane drift to the downwind side on climb out,  just in case a

180 is necessary.  If there is a crosswind, then the turn will be less

than 180.  Also, as one rolls out the potential stall the use of flaps

will help, if the airplane has flaps.  I know of some who have tried the

180 turn back to the runway and are now history.  Sad but true.

knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

Hi Ellery

Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ?



I  use to slip in a flight schools  172 till I learned it wasn't rated 

for it...... 8-/



Mark Vaughn



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APilot(at)webtv.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

Re: Hang gliding......great sport and a wonderful way to fly.  I love

it.  

     Vic in Sacramento (Hang III)

ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

I never heard anyone disaprove of side slipping a kolb. and I am sure if I am doing something wrong  I will sure hear about it after this post 

 

  I have let others take my little bird for a spin around the field and they tell me they had to try a slip seeing me do it alot they tell me it looks like a helicopter dropping in and they wer quite inmpressed with how it sliped  

 

 Ellery In Maine

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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a C-172, and, 

as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with flaps.  I believe the 

flaps change the airflow characteristics to where you can stall the tail 

while slipping at low speeds.  On short final, that's not a thing you need 

real bad.                       Lar.



Larry Bourne

Santa Fe, NM

www.gogittum.com



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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

Well its a good trick to keep handy in the  bag of tricks...

sounds like it performs it well.... 



Mark Vaughn



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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

That might very well have been my situation... I was a new pilot at the 

time with less than a 100 hr....

 This was 20 yrs ago so my story could be off a bit..

 thanks for that FYI...



 Mark Vaughn



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d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

At 08:31 PM 1/23/2007, knowvne(at)aol.com wrote:

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I  use to slip in a flight schools  172 till I learned it wasn't rated for 

it...... 8-/


	


You can slip a 172, there's just not that much point to it because the 

rudder isn't all that effective.  As I recall, the manual said "avoid slips 

with flaps extended" because it blanked the tail somewhat... not bad, but 

there would be a bit of buffeting.



I would have expected that slips in a Kolb would be less useful than other 

aircraft, since there's not much fuselage side area to offer drag.  At 

least there's no dihedral; in the Quicksilver MX you *can't* slip it 

because there's so much dihedral that a tiny bit of rudder has more roll 

authority than full aileron.  The T-Craft, OTOH, you could stand it up on a 

wingtip and drop like a ROCK.



                                 -Dana

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Flame outs

Hi,

  

 what are these `flame outs` that seem to have crept  into the list recently.  I thought a `flame out` was when a jet engine  quit.  

  

 Have some of you guys been taking the freedom the  Experimental category gives you a bit far?  Lets stick to `engine out` and  leave the `flame outs` to the big boys.

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat

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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: Flame outs

PAT

 Don't all KOLBS fly with their engines out? 



  Personally I prefer the term FLAME OUT when referring to a dead 

engine...

  But then given my Background, I'm use to flying with no FLAME at 

all... 



 Sorry if I've confused the terms..

 Mark Vaughn



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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: FLAME OUTS

About slips -- in my 170 I slipped a LOT. Placarded against it w/full  

flaps but I never could get the tail to stall; slips in any  

configuration were no problems, in some 2700 hrs. Interestingly, even  

with the big rudder of a 170 you ran out of rudder control first

Russ K

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On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:



[quote] 



 I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a  

 C-172, and, as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with  

 flaps.  I believe the flaps change the airflow characteristics to  

 where you can stall the tail while slipping at low speeds.  On  

 short final, that's not a thing you need real  

 bad.                       Lar.



 Larry Bourne

 Santa Fe, NM

 www.gogittum.com



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