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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

Hey all - 



just sitting around staring at the James cowl that I picked up this evening from the freight station, and I wondered...  when you call ATC and you're flying an RV, what do you call yourself?  I know about 97% of you guys just rolled your eyes, but I've never flown in an RV of any type.  Or anything experimental at all.  Do you say "experimental 12345 downwind abeam" or what?  Inquiring minds want to know.



cj

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fuse

www.perfectlygoodairplane.net

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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

I only say that if I'm "downwind abeam" 

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Albert Gardner

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Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

FAR's say that on your first call you must identify yourself as Experimental

123XX but I notice after that sometimes if they have time they want to know

more. Once spent 10 min talking about RV's to ATC in a quite sector. He was

building a 9A.

Albert Gardner

Yuma, AZ

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

You've got it right.  "Experimental <N-Number>, 10 miles East at 6500'

inbound with Oscar"  For filing, I had been filing HXB/G, but now that

I hear "RV10" is in the system, RV10/G should work too.  Usually

ATC asks what kind of plane we are, when they see the speeds we're

making....then I tell them I'm an RV10.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Chris Johnston wrote:

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		   Hey all -

 

 just sitting around staring at the James cowl that I picked up this

 evening from the freight station, and I wondered...  when you call

 ATC and you're flying an RV, what do you call yourself?  I know about

 97% of you guys just rolled your eyes, but I've never flown in an RV

 of any type.  Or anything experimental at all.  Do you say

 "experimental 12345 downwind abeam" or what?  Inquiring minds want to

 know.

 

 cj #40410 fuse www.perfectlygoodairplane.net do not archive

Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

In my Pietenpol, I usually call in "November X-Ray 899 Juliet Papa".  Invariably ATC will ask what type of Experimental I am.  They are so used to high speed experimentals like RV's, they want to know what kind of Experimental is crawling across their radar screen at 58 knots.  

Jack Phillips  

#40610  

Finishing the Elevators  

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coop85(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

For filing purposes, I've had good luck tell the briefer on the phone I'm a

RV-10/G, however on DUATS RV10 is still not a viable option for some reasons

(just double checked this morning).  I'll often pick RV-6 then write in the

comments I'm really a 10 although that has never really worked for some

reason.



Does anyone have any info on the FAA updating their system to enter RV-10

online?



Marcus

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

I hear some call "experimental", a few call "red experimental" and most call

"rv-whatever".  I don't know what is officially the right way, but most, in

my experience, say the actual model of airplane, not experimental.  I have

heard of several cases where ATC wanted to know about and chat about "that

4-seat RV" and one case where they actually asked the pilot to change

frequencies to chat about the plane, especially when hitting ground speeds

over 185Kts on descent into an airport.



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Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

www.saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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GenGrumpy(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

Marcus,

  

 I talked with both FAA and others, and Van's has to submit the info to the FAA, then all the rest of the flight plan companies can pick the designation off the FAA list.

  

 I bugged Van's about it several months ago, but not sure I got anyone there to do anything.

  

 Maybe all the other list users can prod Van's to do the necessary (and easy) paperwork with the FAA!

  

 grumpy

 40404 and 45.5 hrs and waiting for XBOW return!

  

 In a message dated 2/6/2007 6:51:56 AM Central Standard Time, coop85(at)bellsouth.net writes:

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For filing purposes, I've had good luck tell the briefer on the phone I'm a

RV-10/G, however on DUATS RV10 is still not a viable option for some reasons

(just double checked this morning).  I'll often pick RV-6 then write in the

comments I'm really a 10 although that has never really worked for some

reason.



Does anyone have any info on the FAA updating their system to enter RV-10

online?



Marcus

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av8or(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

What paperwork is involved and where can we get  it?  I'll fill it out and send it to Van's for their signature.  Can't  make it easier than that.....

  

 JT Lenhardt

 #40262

  

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GenGrumpy(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

Van's has to do the paperwork and send to FAA.

  

 All we can do is pressure them to do it!

  

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 In a message dated 2/6/2007 7:28:37 PM Central Standard Time, av8or(at)cox.net writes:

 [quote] What paperwork is involved and where can we get it?  I'll fill it out and send it to Van's for their signature.  Can't make it easier than that.....

  

 JT Lenhardt

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coop85(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

I just fired off an e-mail to Van’s.  Maybe if everyone did the same as Grumpy suggests we’ll get some action.  If that doesn’t work, perhaps we all call and waste more of their time on the phone than it would take to complete the paperwork they’ll get the message J  Let’s be nice though, I’d rather be flying under an assumed type than flying something else!  

   

Marcus  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GenGrumpy(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:06 PM

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Marcus,  

    

   

    

I talked with both FAA and others, and Van's has to submit the info to the FAA, then all the rest of the flight plan companies can pick the designation off the FAA list.  

    

   

    

I bugged Van's about it several months ago, but not sure I got anyone there to do anything.  

    

   

    

Maybe all the other list users can prod Van's to do the necessary (and easy) paperwork with the FAA!  

    

   

    

grumpy  

    

40404 and 45.5 hrs and waiting for XBOW return!  

    

   

    

In a message dated 2/6/2007 6:51:56 AM Central Standard Time, coop85(at)bellsouth.net writes:  

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 For filing purposes, I've had good luck tell the briefer on the phone I'm a

 RV-10/G, however on DUATS RV10 is still not a viable option for some reasons

 (just double checked this morning).  I'll often pick RV-6 then write in the

 comments I'm really a 10 although that has never really worked for some

 reason.

 

 Does anyone have any info on the FAA updating their system to enter RV-10

 online?

 

 Marcus

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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

I would say more and more I am hearing "RV XXXX", and Experimental is

phasing out.  I have talked to a few different ATC controllers and they

all know what an RV is and like to hear that.  



Is Steve Darton listening?  What do you think? 



Is there any problems saying "RV 104XP"? It seems like everyone up here

calls themselves "RV" and I have continued to called myself Experimental

but that is such a long word.  I'm actually going to start saying "RV"

now and see what they say. 



Scott Schmidt

sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com

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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

AIM says to use "experimental" initially, then omit, and most operating

limitations only require that much when calling the tower.



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters LLC

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 

831-722-9141

831-750-0284 CL

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brucelas(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

john.erickson(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

Scott,



The AIM is very specific about this. Here is the quote (the examples in the

quote are from the AIM also).



QUOTE

"3. Civil aircraft pilots should state the aircraft type, model or

manufacturer's name, followed by the digits/letters of the registration

number. When the aircraft manufacturer's name or model is stated, the prefix

"N" is dropped; e.g., Aztec Two Four Six Four Alpha. 



EXAMPLE-

1. Bonanza Six Five Five Golf.



2. Breezy Six One Three Romeo Experimental (omit "Experimental" after

initial contact)."

END QUOTE



Basically, using "Experimental XXX" is counter to what the AIM says. When

you think about it, it makes sense. The purpose of using the manufacturers

name in the callsign (not trying to start an argument on who the

manufacturer of an experimental is... For these purposes let's just call it

RV...) is to give the controller a small clue as to your capabilities. RV

XXX does that while Experimental XXX doesn't. Just tag Experimental to the

end of your callsign on initial contact to fulfill the requirements of the

ops limits and the AIM and you're good...



John

RV-10 #40208 Wings

RV-8 N94DW (or should that be RV 94DW Experimental?  )



(btw, moving to Ogden in 2 weeks... Any chance I can get a look at that

gorgeous plane?)



 



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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

Damn Lucky



Bob K  0<))



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coop85(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

There may be more to the story than just AIM.  Here is a copy (picture, not

cut/paste unfortunately) of my Operating Limitations:



This would imply you need to tack on "Experimental" to at least the first

call.  While an argument could probably be made that most, if not all

eventually, controllers know a RV-10 is an experimental it legally probably

shouldn't be assumed.  FWIW, I always use "Experimental 585MR" then just

"585MR" or even "5MR" if the conversation has gone back and forth a few

times.



Marcus



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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: what do you call yourself to ATC?

I was reading the AIM last night trying to find something about this and

saw the same thing you did.  

Sounds like the official way to make a call would be "RV-10 104XP

Experimental", then after the first call just "RV-10 4XP" or even "RV

4XP"



That is what I am going with! 



Scott Schmidt

sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com



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