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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

The url below has been chopped off by the email message. Just copy and paste

the whole thing up to "engine/" into your browser's address.

Nico

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Jim Addington

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 62
Location: Denton, Texas

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

I still could not get it to open



Jim Addington

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy. 

http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp

Thanks

Nico

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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: Orenda Engine

Nico-



The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill

Leff's name.



The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was

out there in easy reach.



Robert S. Randazzo 



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Orenda Engine

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		  The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was 

out there in easy reach. 



	




But then you wouldn't have 414C cause I woulda slapped on the Orendas and kept her.

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Milt

nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: Orenda Engine

Exactly my thoughts. 

It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who

pulled the plug on the project and why.

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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: Orenda Engine

You know Milt-  I was going to say that...



Hahahahah



Robert Randazzo



 



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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

Nico,



This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity

than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages.  Trying to

certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.

This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.

Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978?  Listening to

Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that

they faced and solved is most interesting.



Regards,



Moe



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Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!

 maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified.  Oh well...

  

 [quote]-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> 



[quote] --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" 

 

 

 Nico, 

 

 This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity 

 than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to 

 certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. 

 This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. 

 Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to 

 Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that 

 they faced and solved is most interesting. 

 

 Regards, 

 

 Moe 

 

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath.  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: RE: Orenda Engine  

  

     

V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!  

    

maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified.  Oh well...  

    

   

  [quote]  

-------------- Original message -------------- 

 From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> 

 

 > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" 

 > 

 > 

 > Nico, 

 > 

 > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity 

 > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to 

 > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. 

 > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. 

 > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to 

 > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that 

 > they faced and solved is most interesting. 

 > 

 > Regards, 

 > 

 > Moe 

 > 

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CloudCraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

In a message dated 21-Feb-07 20:29:27 Pacific Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:

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		  I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. 	


 I visited the Shadow Race Team facilities in Marina, California (near the former Fort Ord) around 1979.   This was the test cell facility Mr. RPM was using to run and Dynamo the Thunder Engine.

  

 The FAA could not comprehend the ideas, technology nor the alloys Mr. RPM was using in this engine and thus made them do a tear down every 50 hours, if I'm not mistaken on the interval.

  

 Lots of red tape, resulting in red ink and finally they had to surrender.

  

 Then, almost 20 years later the Orenda Engine flew.   Dakota Aero was in business to do the conversions.  Somewhere between North Dakota and Canada where the engines were to be built, money, patients and relationships ran out and it all came to a stop.  Again.

  

 I'm kind of excited to hear there may be one more swing at this -- it's the closest and most realistic engine retrofit for the 680F series and 685 Commanders.

  

 Wing Commander Gordon



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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

Nico-

  

 When the autopilot on N414C went Tango Uniform- I  discovered that it was goign to be as expensive to fix as it would be to replace  with a modern new autopilot.  I started out on my quest to find a solution  that would work for me AND would get approved by FAA.

  

 If my initial experience were a sitcom- the TV Guide  synopsis would read like this:

  

 "Pilot interested to enhance the safety of a 685  Commander approaches the FAA with proposal to remove 1960s vintage euipment and  replace it with modern technology capable of reducing pilot workload and  improving safety of flight for the airplane.  Hilarity  ensues."

  

  

 It only took 17 months- but I was finally able to find a  fellow (two actually) at FAA who thought the idea had merit strictly from a  safety standpoint...  These guys were open minded- heard my suggestion out-  did some research and then advocated on my behalf to the boss at the ACO.   Now THAT is how the relationship with FAA **SHOULD** work.   

  

 Robert Randazzo



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico  css

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 20:26

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: RE: Orenda  Engine

 

  

You know, I always  wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do  they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many  lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my  breath. 

  

     

 

From:  owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39  PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: RE: Orenda  Engine

 

   

V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground  breaking material!

  

maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series  Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55  gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified.  Oh  well...

  

 

 [quote]   

-------------- Original message --------------    

From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> 



[quote]    --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" 

    

 

 Nico, 

 

 This was a long    drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity 

 than Dick    Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to 

    certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.    

 This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the    info. 

 Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978?    Listening to 

 Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and    business wise) that 

 they faced and solved is most interesting.    

 

 Regards, 

 

 Moe 

 

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Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: Orenda Engine

I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot it down qwicker than a flying man hole cover.

  

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You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath. 

  

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM

To: <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: RE: Orenda Engine

 

   

V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!

  

maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified.  Oh well...

  

 

 [quote] 

-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> 



[quote] --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" 

 

 

 Nico, 

 

 This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity 

 than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to 

 certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. 

 This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. 

 Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to 

 Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that 

 they faced and solved is most interesting. 

 

 Regards, 

 

 Moe 

 

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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: Orenda Engine

I found this on the web.  It gives a recap of the Orenda engine.Orenda in Canada shut down the V-8 engine several years ago and sold off the engine to someone in TX.



Read the last paragraph about Texas Recip and the President being sentenced to 3 years and 5 months for defrauding investors.



Another story of aviation progress.



Tylor Hall



On Feb 22, 2007, at 12:12 AM, skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net (skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net) wrote:

[quote]I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot it down qwicker than a flying man hole cover.

 

[quote]-------------- Original message -------------- 

From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com (nico(at)cybersuperstore.com)> 



You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath.

 

 



From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net (skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net)Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: RE: RE: Orenda Engine



 

V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!



maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified.  Oh well...



 

[quote]

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com (moe(at)rosspistons.com)> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" > > > Nico, > > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task. > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info. > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that > they faced and solved is most interesting. > > Regards, > > Moe > > --

moe(at)rosspistons.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Orenda Engine

Wing Commander,  

   

Do you remember who all you talked to while you were at the UPO Shadow Group seven establishment?  Was Lee Muher (spelling) still with the project then/  

   

Regards,  

   

Moe  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com

 Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:47 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RE: Orenda Engine  

  

       

In a message dated 21-Feb-07 20:29:27 Pacific Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:  

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I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up.  	
  

    

[b]I visited the Shadow Race Team facilities in Marina, California (near the former Fort Ord) around 1979.   This was the test cell facility Mr. RPM was using to run and Dynamo the Thunder Engine.[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]The FAA could not comprehend the ideas, technology nor the alloys Mr. RPM was using in this engine and thus made them do a tear down every 50 hours, if I'm not mistaken on the interval.[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Lots of red tape, resulting in red ink and finally they had to surrender.[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Then, almost 20 years later the Orenda Engine flew.   Dakota Aero was in business to do the conversions.  Somewhere between North Dakota and Canada where the engines were to be built, money, patients and relationships ran out and it all came to a stop.  Again.[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]I'm kind of excited to hear there may be one more swing at this -- it's the closest and most realistic engine retrofit for the 680F series and 685 Commanders.[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Wing Commander Gordon[/b]  

  



 

       

  

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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Orenda Engine

Moe,

  

 A friend of mine (since gone West - so I can't reach back and ask) was friends with a technician named Tony who was running the test cell.

  

 Tony also has an aviation background and is/was a principal in an aircraft maintenance facility at Salinas, CA (KSNS), lived in Pacific Grove,   but beyond that, I can't remember his details.

  

 Wing Commander Gordon

  

  



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