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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Glass for IFR Glass for IFR Reply with quote

I am adding a skid slip indicator just below the Garmin 480 as the
ultimate backup to the BMA and Dynon. Not flying yet.

Matthew M. Jurotich

e-mail mail to: <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov>
phone : 301-286-5919


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Glass for IFR Glass for IFR Reply with quote

Matt, you know that won't replace gyro's, right?

So, where are you taking this - compass, ball and airspeed?
On 2/27/07, Matt Jurotich <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov> wrote:
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I am adding a skid slip indicator just below the Garmin 480 as the
ultimate backup to the BMA and Dynon. Not flying yet.

Matthew M. Jurotich

e-mail mail to: <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov>
phone : 301-286-5919



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject: Glass for IFR Glass for IFR Reply with quote

Question: Do the current EFIS systems for experimental aircraft have
true gyros (laser/micro machine perhaps) or do they resolve attitude
from accelerometers?

If they use accelerometers how is the acceleration of the aircraft
itself cancelled?

Doug Gray

On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 15:32 -0500, Bill Boyd wrote:
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Matt, you know that won't replace gyro's, right?

So, where are you taking this - compass, ball and airspeed?


On 2/27/07, Matt Jurotich <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov> wrote:
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> I am adding a skid slip indicator just below the Garmin 480 as the
> ultimate backup to the BMA and Dynon. Not flying yet.
>
> Matthew M. Jurotich
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> e-mail mail to: <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov>
> phone : 301-286-5919
>
>
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Glass for IFR Glass for IFR Reply with quote

The current low cost EFIS systems use solid state accelerometers and
rate sensors. Each vendor has their own algorithm. The Dynon
system, which I have, uses the airspeed signal to provide a
correction for the effect of acceleration on the calculated pitch
attitude. It apparently works quite well, and the attitude is
apparently usable, but degraded, even without an airspeed input.

Kevin Horton
On 28 Feb 2007, at 02:56, Doug Gray wrote:

Quote:


Question: Do the current EFIS systems for experimental aircraft have
true gyros (laser/micro machine perhaps) or do they resolve attitude
from accelerometers?

If they use accelerometers how is the acceleration of the aircraft
itself cancelled?

Doug Gray

On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 15:32 -0500, Bill Boyd wrote:
>
>
> Matt, you know that won't replace gyro's, right?
>
> So, where are you taking this - compass, ball and airspeed?
> On 2/27/07, Matt Jurotich <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov> wrote:
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>> <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov>
>>
>> I am adding a skid slip indicator just below the Garmin 480 as the
>> ultimate backup to the BMA and Dynon. Not flying yet.
>>
>> Matthew M. Jurotich
>>
>> e-mail mail to: <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov>
>> phone : 301-286-5919
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Glass for IFR Glass for IFR Reply with quote

Just as another data point, the airspeed fitting broke off the back of
our D-10 on the first day of a cross country trip. I pinched the line
leading from the backup steam gauge and disabled the airspeed display on
the Dynon so as to continue the trip. After some hours, (probably 20 or
30), I noticed that the Dynon had the leans. It seemed fairly accurate
when level, but lagged in turns and didn't want to return to level. The
factory told me that there is a file that is written to continuously
that uses airspeed as a parameter that was probably screwed up over time
by having no airspeed input. I wiped the firmware and re-installed,
having first restored the pitot line of course, and it is now cool with
no problems for many hours. I definitely wouldn't trust it in clouds
without pitot.

Pax,

Ed Holyoke

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