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armywrights(at)adelphia.n
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

I’m looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control box for the one-touch flap positioning system.  

   

Rob Wright  

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

Rob here's a couple of pics.



http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03045.html



and



http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2040%20Flap%20system/slides/DSC03047.html



Deems Davis # 406

Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )

http://deemsrv10.com/



Rob Wright wrote:

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 I’m looking for pics and ideas on how folks have mounted the control 

 box for the one-touch flap positioning system.



 Rob Wright



 Fuse



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

Deems,



We did ours the same way on one and I think that's the best place.  On one

we cut the wires and extended them and mounted the box on one of the gear

leg supports under the front seat.  This was a pain and not worth it.



One thing I noticed on yours is the loop of wire going into the back of the

controller box is pretty close to the nut on the flap tube.  Make sure you

have plenty of clearance so that bolt doesn't catch the wire when it turns.



Do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

www.saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694

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rv10(at)sinkrate.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

Deems,



I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with the

stick on deals to secure them.  Do you know how long those are supposed to

stay attached?  Are they an aviation product or a home depot thing?  They

seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?



Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible.  Are you

using them in other areas w/o access too?  Don't take this the wrong way I

am just asking out of my ignorance.  I haven't learned much about wiring and

proper installation yet.



What do others think?



Thanks,



-Ben Westfall

#40579 bottom skins

PDX



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davelammers(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

Rob,

 

 Inside the tunnel, on the left side tunnel sidewall, adjacent to the actuator. Pix attached.   Plenty of room there, and the wire runs are short.  Requires quite a bundle of wires going back to the switch.  I color coded them, twisted and routed them under the flap torque tube cover and up the sidewall to the switch and used a molex connector as a maintenance break (in case any components need to be replaced).

 

 Dave Lammers

 Wings

 

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

I have found mixed results.  On perfectly smooth and clean surfaces,

they seem to stick great and will probably last forever.  On anything

rough at all, they'll probably fall off in short order.  Many of

them that are holding heavier bundles, or are near critical moving

parts on mine are now done with an added step.... either using

a version with a screw hole in the center and screwed to the airframe,

or glued on with a gob of E6000.  The ones on smooth and clean

metal though are just stuck on.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Ben Westfall wrote:

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 Deems,

 

 I noticed on most of your pictures you use a lot of the zip ties with the

 stick on deals to secure them.  Do you know how long those are supposed to

 stay attached?  Are they an aviation product or a home depot thing?  They

 seem so convenient but I just wonder if they will come loose over time?

 

 Obviously in the tunnel in these pictures they are accessible.  Are you

 using them in other areas w/o access too?  Don't take this the wrong way I

 am just asking out of my ignorance.  I haven't learned much about wiring and

 proper installation yet.

 

 What do others think?

 

 Thanks,

 

 -Ben Westfall

 #40579 bottom skins

 PDX

LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

Dan Checkoway also reports using these and after a few months/year, they

fall off, dry up whatever, so what I have done is to use the plates, and

use a blob of RTV to seal them to the plane. So far no issues, but only

time will tell.

You can buy them at multiple places, and I got mine from Stein. RTV was

purchased at the local auto store.

Dan

N289DT 



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davelammers(at)mchsi.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

I used these stick-on types on my RV6 which first flew in 2000.  Over these years and 700 hours, about one-third of them have loosened or come off completely.

 Because of this experience, I am NOT using any in my RV-10, but using the ones with the holes in them and screwing or riveting them on.

 For sure, no matter how well you clean and glue them on, do not use the stick on kind in applications where, in the event of them coming loose, the wire bundle could interfere with critical control movement.

 

 Dave Lammers

 Pitts-flying

 RV6- flying

 RV10-wings

 

 Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote: [quote]   [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com> (LloydDR(at)wernerco.com)  Dan Checkoway also reports using these and after a few months/year, they fall off, dry up whatever, so what I have done is to use the plates, and use a blob of RTV to seal them to the plane. So far no issues, but only time will tell. You can buy them at multiple places, and I got mine from Stein. RTV was purchased at the local auto store. Dan N289DT   --

bhughes(at)qnsi.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

I keep a jar of these things soaking in acetone until needed. The

acetone allow you to remove the sticky pad. Rough up the back and apply

with Shoe-Goo from the local sporting good store on a clean surface.

Install a temporary zip tie while the Goo is drying to keep it our of

the holes.  Allow 24 hours to dry. 



Bobby

40116 



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

Ben, we are using Click Bond fasteners with great results at adhesion.

A clean and abraded surface is a logical process.  I will get you a

couple of samples from work and bring them to the NW RV-10 dinner in

May.



I will also bring a demo of 3M DP-100 two part catalytic adhesive which

is superior to any product yet mentioned. Unfortunately with a quality

build, it requires a 3M gun, plunger and nozzles.



Dan has documented well the difficulties of long term adhesion bonding

with these common sticky back standoffs and his wire runs.  The other

issue is lower quality fasteners and electric tie will indeed harden and

snap from vibration in short order.  A prudent builder will have a plan

for long term service down the road.  Otherwise chafing of wire bundles

will create their telltale mark on both the aluminum and on the wire

bundle. Pulling replacement wire is not worth the discussion when this

natural occurrence takes it's toll.  Plan accordingly for longevity and

ease of service. Tim has a pdf file on wire found in old airplanes that

I sent the RV-10 University.



John Cox

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: ShowPlanes Flaps

Sorry I forgot to attach the link.  http://www.clickbond.com/index.php

John Cox

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