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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: Snow Skis

Any of you ever tried using a Snowmobile ski on your Kolb????

  We tried to fly some lite trikes this past weekend but the snows 

surface was

  much too soft for a wheeled landing.... The landing had Turtled 

written all over it 8-(



  I started looked at some Skis on snowmobile and thought they might be 

just the ticket

  for our use ..... Ideally a Wider Mountain Sled Ski for softer snow 

landings......



  The material these ski are made from already have a proven track 

record when it comes

  to rough abuse under various COLD temps.... It would be just a matter 

of designing a foot

 to attach the ski to...



  I saw the water ski set up on the KOLB site but I do Question the skis 

integrity under such

  harsh conditions... After all they are designed for use on melted snow 



 Mark Vaughn



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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: Snow Skis

I read an article on skis recently, I think it was in Sport Aviation.    I learned a lot.  The skis are not the problem on the ground so much as they are in the air.  The air catches one or both of them and they point up or down and act like ailerons or bang around.  

   

  There was also an interesting picture of a DC3 with snow skis and they were attached to each other with a small wing in the back to keep them level in flight.  Good idea.

   

  Maybe you could come up with a way to do that with snowmobile skis.

   

  Cool article and fun stuff to think about and experiment with.

   

  Matt

   

  



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Any of you ever tried using a Snowmobile ski on your Kolb????

We tried to fly some lite trikes this past weekend but the snows 

surface was

much too soft for a wheeled landing.... The landing had Turtled 

written all over it 8-(



I started looked at some Skis on snowmobile and thought they might be 

just the ticket

for our use ..... Ideally a Wider Mountain Sled Ski for softer snow 

landings......



The material these ski are made from already have a proven track 

record when it comes

to rough abuse under various COLD temps.... It would be just a matter 

of designing a foot

to attach the ski to...



I saw the water ski set up on the KOLB site but I do Question the skis 

integrity under such

harsh conditions... After all they are designed for use on melted snow 



Mark Vaughn



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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Snow Skis

I put the front skis, steel,off a snowmobile on my Kxp 503 and happily flew it out of as much as 14 inches of snow to a light dusting for 2 winters. Chris Davis                                  



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George Alexander

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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Snow Skis

Mark:

Here is a link to some info that I used to carry on my web site (before I

moved to Florida) that you might find interesting.  John Carpenter is the

person who did skis out of snow mobile skins.  There is a link to his email.

Don't know if it is still valid or not.



http://gtalexander.home.att.net/winterflying.html



George Alexander

http://gtalexander.home.att.net



 



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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: Snow Skis

The skis are not the problem on the ground so much as they are in the 

air.Â 

  The air catches one or both of them and they point up or down and act 

like ailerons or bang around.Â 



 Hi Matt

  Yea I thought about that and was considering a limiting cable on the 

nose and tail of the ski along

  with a tight bungie cord on the nose so to make darn sure the tail of 

the ski touched down first....



  On a KOLB there doesn't appear to be much rotation in the flair when 

landing so i wouldn't expect

  their to be too much slack in the limiting cables.. I just have to 

make certain the AOA of Both skis

 stay positive...



  On trikes their nose always rotates forward and UP when leaving the 

ground so that creates the

 needed positive AOA for them.....



 OK!

 So who wants to be my test pilot?????? BUCK BUCK BUCK hahahaha



 Mark



 knowvne(at)aol.com wrote:

 

 Any of you ever tried using a Snowmobile ski on your Kolb????

 We tried to fly some lite trikes this past weekend but the snows

 surface was

 much too soft for a wheeled landing.... The landing had Turtled

 written all over it 8-(



 I started looked at some Skis on snowmobile and thought they might be

 just the ticket

 for our use ..... Ideally a Wider Mountain Sled Ski for softer snow

 landings......



 The material these ski are made from already have a proven track

 record when it comes

 to rough abuse under various COLD temps.... It would be just a matter

 of designing a foot

 to attach the ski to...



 I saw the water ski set up on the KOLB site but I do Question the skis

 integrity under such

 harsh conditions... After all they are designed for use on melted snow

 

 Mark Vaughn



  

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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: Snow Skis

Hi Chris



 Did you also land in that 14 inch snow????

 I would fear flipping a KOLB if the skis dug in too fast.....

 Hence why I considered the WIDER Mountain Sled type Skis...



 Is that what you used?



 Thanks

 Mark Vaughn



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jim

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Posts: 107
Location: N. Idaho

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

What about weight?  Aren't snowmobile skis all steel?  Are they too heavy?



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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

Nope today they're made of a tough Polymer that has a Steel Foot bolted 

into it..



  my guess is they'll weigh in about the same as the Tire & Rim already 

there ...



  Manufactures also will bolt into the bottom of the ski something 

called a Skag

 which is little more than a Steel Rod thats

  about 18 inches long for crossing Asphalt and other hard surfaces and 

to help

  control the sled when on more packed surfaces like Ice or packed snow 

on trails...



  Some sleds are designed for deep snow so a winder ski is used up front 

to help

  keep the Sled on top of power type snow... Thats the ski I'd 

consider....



 Mark Vaughn



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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

At 02:48 PM 2/28/2007, knowvne(at)aol.com wrote:

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  Yea I thought about that and was considering a limiting cable on the 

 nose and tail of the ski along  with a tight bungie cord on the nose so 

 to make darn sure the tail of the ski touched down first....



  On a KOLB there doesn't appear to be much rotation in the flair when 

 landing so i wouldn't expect  their to be too much slack in the limiting 

 cables...


	


That's the typical setup.



I've always wanted to fly off skis.  Even bought a set for my T-Craft, but 

after I had already disassembled it for restoration... and the skis went 

with the project when I sold it.  I how have a set of fiberglass skis which 

I believe came off an early ParaPlane, seem to be about the right size.  Of 

course my Ultrastar sits at a higher angle on the ground, necessitating 

more slack in the limiting cables than you'd need for a low boom Kolb.



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Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

I posted a question about ske flying last week this is one if  the  postings I got from another list it has a real nice set of plans for  building a  set .                                                                                                 Malcom, here is the plan of the wheel penetrating skis I made a few 

years  ago:



http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/SkiFox.pdf



And here are  some photos of the  installation:



http://home.online.no/~michel/ski/





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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

Nice !

 A true snow Amphib 

 Mark Vaughn



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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

There are pictures of the skis I made in the photo share and they have been working for me for three years now on the Firestar

  I dont care if you copy the ones I have made and tested 

 

 Ellery still on skis in Maine

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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

I plan to put these links in our next EAA chapter newsletter. Who did the 

plans, so that I can give credit where credit is due?

Thanks,

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: Snow Skis

Hi Ellery

No pix found sorry...



Mark Vaughn



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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: Snow Skis

You didnt look very hard or in the right place here is the place  to see the pictures

 

 Matronics Email List Photo Share Listings - ElleryWeld(at)aol.com.02.05.2005

 

 Ellery

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: Snow Skis

I started looked at some Skis on snowmobile and thought they might be just 

the ticket>>



Hi

a friend of mine used the  bumpers  (fenders?)  from an old car and flew all 

one winter with them. There was a girl that he reely reely needed to visit. 

Anything will do in a pinch. Incidentally he tied them on with binder twine.



Cheers



Pat

knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: Snow Skis

guess not I was looking for an attachment... Sorry

Mark Vaughn



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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: Snow Skis

Ahhhhhhhh NO ............

 Experimental YES - Suicidal NO HAHAHAHAHA



  The short water ski or Snowmobile ski approach seems to be our most 

viable

  options at the moment..... Their are some really creative ideas out 

there...

 Thanks to all who cared enough to share....



 Mark Vaughn

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 a friend of mine used the bumpers (fenders?) from an old car and flew

 all one winter with them. There was a girl that he reely reely needed

  to visit. Anything will do in a pinch. Incidentally he tied them on 

with binder twine.Â 

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 CheersÂ 

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 PatÂ 

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