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cpayne(at)joimail.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: Forms and patterns

Thanks all for your input but the point on formations could be extended to the extreme that aviation is strictly for the birds and for us to watch them from the ground. My post was intended as a heads-up on modifying current technique for these situations. When flying with NATA dudes many years ago, popping smoke in the pattern was a good way to mark a position and configuring T-6's into extended trail for pattern entry seemed to work well.



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		  In this case it would seem that only one pilot

is "looking for the unexpected" and the other three are looking at another aircraft

in the formation.  Or maybe I'm missing something?


	


What's missing here is understanding that when the flight is configured into extended trail, 4 sets of eyes are looking and scanning. That was my suggestion for entering busy airspace. It is the NEXT situation I worry about, the last was a learning experience to carry forward.

Craig Payne

cpayne(at)joimail.com

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: Forms and patterns

Thanks Craig, that is my point exactly.  There are indeed times when us

aviators should leave flying strictly to the birds and not force

ourselves into their domain.  In all manner of ways.  



Here are my recommendations for modifying current techniques.  They are

not tongue in cheek.  They are honest and straight forward:  



1. Military aircraft radios all have TWO receivers built in.  One you

dial in the freq.  The other is rock bound on GUARD.  If COMM is lost, a

transmission in the blind on GUARD usually solves the problem.  Civil

aircraft do not have this feature.  Thus something is needed to cover

the same circumstance in the same way. Something like a briefed back-up

freq.   



2.  Hand & Arm signals need to be practiced and used. The word

"assumption" needs to be stricken from formation terminology.  



3.  When the formation includes more than 2 aircraft, a plan should be

briefed in case someone has a system failure.  For example, if anyone

has any kind of problem, the four ship will break up into "something

else".  Typically, with a LEAD taking the wingman with the failure right

to the runway, where lead goes around and wingman lands. This is typical

SOP 



4.  Go Around procedures.  Were they briefed?  If lead goes around, what

does the rest of the flight do, go around as well?  That does not make

much sense.  Neither does trying to re-join after a mass go-around at an

uncontrolled field.  



5.  Thought should be given to modifying procedures for uncontrolled

fields to wit: Briefing that once the aircraft have made the break and

are extended trail at an uncontrolled field where there is no tower that

will clear the whole flight to land, that at that point.......the

formation is over, and each aircraft should revert to standard general

aviation procedures intended for single aircraft landings at an

uncontrolled field.  The intent is to land.  Not to maintain formation

flight.  



I don't think popping smoke is a great idea at an uncontrolled general

aviation airfield, but I could be wrong.  



Best Regards, 



Mark Bitterlich 

N50YK

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