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Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr(at)wernerco.com (lloyddr(at)wernerco.com)
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jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.c
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
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Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think it would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com (jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr(at)wernerco.com (lloyddr(at)wernerco.com)
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
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(I'm sorry, I just can't resist)
Yeah Dan, those big Lycomings....it's like "Yeeee Haw!" when
you stuff that throttle into the panel, with all that torque
and horsepower. Great engines, they are. 
P-factor....you only had 3 hours in the -10, so you must
have a small bladder. For me, I cured the P-Factor in my
plane by carrying an old gatorade bottle on long x/c trip.
(LOL)
Oh, and don't even get me started on that miserable Ed Hayden...
It's like the man's in his own world where everyone travels
at 670,616,600 miles per hour (a few mph less than the speed of
light), so that time moves so slowly it looks like he'll
be done with his -10 "soon". I think he's delusional, perhaps.
(reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light )
For him, I'm thinking he'll be done in "November".
(Now THAT one is just for good ol' Eddie boy!)
ALL in good fun, of course. You guys is good people!
Oh, and to the rest of you, take Dan's advice...get the training.
It's comforting when you fly yours for the first time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
| Quote: | Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more
days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast
bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same,
but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps
in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and
trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home
stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first
flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For
those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not
stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary
to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is
difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to
feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing
that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need
for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you
put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue
about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured
Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10,
the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he
helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project.
What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait
to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that
makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us
feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
_lloyddr(at)wernerco.com_ <mailto:lloyddr(at)wernerco.com>
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
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I guess that mainly depends on how much time and in how many other planes you have flown. My dad didn’t get transition training, just took a demo flight at Van’s (which is far from helpful in learning to fly the plane), and he had no problem (and now has over 400 safe hours in the -10). The plane really is not difficult to fly. I am not knocking transition training at all, but just offering a little more insight from experience.
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Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
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Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:38 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think it would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com (jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr(at)wernerco.com (lloyddr(at)wernerco.com)
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
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Other than expenses there can only be advantages to getting a Solid CFI to train you on the specific aircraft. I appreciate what Jesse is saying however. Some pilots ARE experienced and solid, as Jesse's father appears to be, than there those who have 10K hours and fill my NTSB reports each month. To each their own but I never forgot the stats I received from the MSF when getting my motorcycle license. "most fatalities occur with experienced riders on a new bike"
As Lloyd mentioned there is the P-factor but what is not mentioned is the "tips and techniques" that an experienced pilot can teach a newby about that specific aircraft. (V speeds and how it looks, feels)
Pascal
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
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You know, this brings up some thoughts.
First, Ed Hayden is one of the best. Anyone who gets the privilege of meeting this guy knows of what I speak.
Second, let the list know when you (any you) are going where on RV-10 business. If Ed hadn't been available, I know 4 other guys in Oregon who would have been. I continue to be amazed at the quality of folks on this list, building or not, and as a community, it is one I want to be around.
Third, this plane is amazing, as Dan just found out. I have been struggling whether or not I really have the time to finish the project, and shouldn't I, given my age, simply buy a fast certified and get to flying. Well, so, I've now flown a couple Bonanzas, and other fast supposedly 4-place planes, trying to determine what to do. Then good old Randy says, hey, hop in, I've got to have another pair of hands and eyes while I check out the new thingy that TT sent me. Well, Randy didn't really need another pair of eyes or hands, not really, he just wanted to get me up and into the air in his RV-10 to keep my spirits up. He's sneaky that way. What he also did was make me realize, once again, just how better the RV-10 is than even a pretty darn good Bonanza, just on flying qualities alone. It's an amazing difference, in just, how to put this, attitude, and I don't mean which side is up. I mean the feel of it. The sitting in it. The handling. The spirit. The feeling that flying it is fun. As in FUN. And this is a Van's SUV! I've flown the Cirrus 22, and that is really cool, but this, in my opinion, is just as cool, if not, er, cooler.
So, Dan, I hear ya.
John (I can't believe I'm still in builder exile) Jessen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr(at)wernerco.com (lloyddr(at)wernerco.com)
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time |
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Daniel
Thanks for the encouragement. The builder spirit and enthusiasm are reaffirmed when we hear stories of passion flying the RV10.
Glad to hear your having a good time, how much longer will it be to get your RV10E up flying?
Paul Grimstad
RV10 40450
Portland, Or.
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Awesome Dan, isn't that the most fun ever. Mike teaches you to fly the -10 like a tail dragger. Nose off the ground ASAP, don't even look at the airspeed, and let it fly itself off. This is typically not taught when flying spam cans. Budd Davidson one of the finest CFI's in the world teaches the same approach in the Pitts. You really learn what AOA achieves a smooth safe takeoff in a reasonable distance. I cannot tell you how happy you will be when you are sitting at the end of the runway in you new RV-10 and you push that throttle in and your not having to learn to fly the plane and watch all the engine instruments for problems. You know what stick force it takes to get the nose off. You know how much rudder it will take to keep it straight when you lift the nose off. Plus, going and flying with Mike is some of the cheapest flying you can do. Seems like it is around $130 an hour (plane + pilot)? To fly a 182 here in Utah the average rent is around $160 just for the plane. It is so beautiful to go flying around OR as well.
Looking forward to the first flight post.
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Tim Olson
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Fully agree with you there John. The people are just fantastic and
the plane really shines.
Just did my IPC and BFR Wednesday, and impressed the guy (a friend
of mine) who's an airline pilot. He was amazed at the plane in
general, and kept commenting on how well it flew, how fast it was,
and how smooth it was. I MUCH prefer someone (if they have the skills),
who's not afraid to FEEL out the plane when they jump in for a demo.
15 minutes after takeoff, he was trying 30/45/60 degree banks and
loving it. He couldn't believe how advanced the instrumentation
was, and said it's easier to fly an approach with what I've got than
using everything he has in the DC9/727/757/747's that he's flown.
Then yesterday, I read a review in Flying Mag's recent issue where
they reviewed the Mooney Ovation3...their fast normally aspirated
plane. I was again left impressed not with the Ovation, but with
what we can do with our RV-10's. That Ovation was well over $400,000,
and didn't cruise much faster, and almost completely had inferior
performance specs to the -10 in most categories. Even the VNE was
within a Knot or 2 of the -10. They went on to do a lot of detail
on how with a G1000 and Garmin's new AP that you can now do some
awesome vertically guided approaches and it's smooth. That's
funny, I can do pretty much everything they described there, and
it's just an experimental costing well under 1/2 the price! Not
to mention there are many who can build a great plane for much less
depending on their needs. (I've has someone say to me that the
reason for some of Van's choices on his own plane may be to
demonstrate how someone can build a nice but low-cost RV-10, as
opposed to the common "loaded" RV-10) So from what I can tell,
the Ovation3, and for that matter, most of the other
High-performance singles, have very little additional benefits
on us, if any, and for twice the price. Oh, and I haven't seen
one of those factory model users groups that has anywhere near
the camaraderie of what we have either...what a bonus! Great
people is right!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Quote: | You know, this brings up some thoughts.
First, Ed Hayden is one of the best. Anyone who gets the privilege of
meeting this guy knows of what I speak.
Second, let the list know when you (any you) are going where on RV-10
business. If Ed hadn't been available, I know 4 other guys in Oregon
who would have been. I continue to be amazed at the quality of folks on
this list, building or not, and as a community, it is one I want to be
around.
Third, this plane is amazing, as Dan just found out. I have been
struggling whether or not I really have the time to finish the project,
and shouldn't I, given my age, simply buy a fast certified and get to
flying. Well, so, I've now flown a couple Bonanzas, and other fast
supposedly 4-place planes, trying to determine what to do. Then good
old Randy says, hey, hop in, I've got to have another pair of hands and
eyes while I check out the new thingy that TT sent me. Well, Randy
didn't really need another pair of eyes or hands, not really, he just
wanted to get me up and into the air in his RV-10 to keep my spirits
up. He's sneaky that way. What he also did was make me realize, once
again, just how better the RV-10 is than even a pretty darn good
Bonanza, just on flying qualities alone. It's an amazing difference, in
just, how to put this, attitude, and I don't mean which side is up. I
mean the feel of it. The sitting in it. The handling. The spirit.
The feeling that flying it is fun. As in FUN. And this is a Van's
SUV! I've flown the Cirrus 22, and that is really cool, but this, in my
opinion, is just as cool, if not, er, cooler.
So, Dan, I hear ya.
John (I can't believe I'm still in builder exile) Jessen
#40328
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Lloyd,
Daniel R.
*Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more
days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast
bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same,
but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps
in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and
trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home
stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first
flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For
those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not
stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary
to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is
difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to
feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing
that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need
for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you
put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue
about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured
Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10,
the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he
helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project.
What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait
to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that
makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us
feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
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Is Van's spec of 211mph top speed = Vne, or is there some higher number?
The Ovation airframe is virtually identical to the Acclaim, which has a
max cruise of 237kts, or 273mph. Vne is something above that. The
Ovation 3 has 310hp engine and noticeably better climb and cruise than
earlier versions with 280hp.
Of course the -10 has many other advantages, as you noted, esp $$$$ &
ease of entry. The current Mooneys have much bigger baggage area than
the -10.
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Then yesterday, I read a review in Flying Mag's recent issue where
they reviewed the Mooney Ovation3...their fast normally aspirated
plane. I was again left impressed not with the Ovation, but with
what we can do with our RV-10's. That Ovation was well over $400,000,
and didn't cruise much faster, and almost completely had inferior
performance specs to the -10 in most categories. Even the VNE was
within a Knot or 2 of the -10.
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Well here I can't vouch for the accuracy of their article, but...
I think the RV-10's VNE is 200kts roughly...or around 230mph.
The VNE quoted in the Ovation3 article was probably in IAS,
and I think it was 201kts IAS. So yeah, I guess the Vne isn't
really that equal, given that we're supposed to be using TAS,
and they quoted what I believe is IAS. But, they're not THAT
much faster than the -10...oh, and they praised it's great climb,
but the -10 handily outclimbs it.
The baggage area though, you're right. The -10 has suited me
well, but if there was one thing I'd like more of,it's baggage
volume. We have lots, but my old plane had even more, and
as long as the stuff wasn't too heavy you could carry some
large things....like I stuffed in one of those 2 kid tow
behind bike carriers once...a big plastic one. Can't do that
in the -10.
Nope, the planes are really apples and oranges, so while we
can compare specs, it's still hard to really analyze
to certain levels.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
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Is Van's spec of 211mph top speed = Vne, or is there some higher number?
The Ovation airframe is virtually identical to the Acclaim, which has a
max cruise of 237kts, or 273mph. Vne is something above that. The
Ovation 3 has 310hp engine and noticeably better climb and cruise than
earlier versions with 280hp.
Of course the -10 has many other advantages, as you noted, esp $$$$ &
ease of entry. The current Mooneys have much bigger baggage area than
the -10.
Tim Olson wrote:
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> Then yesterday, I read a review in Flying Mag's recent issue where
> they reviewed the Mooney Ovation3...their fast normally aspirated
> plane. I was again left impressed not with the Ovation, but with
> what we can do with our RV-10's. That Ovation was well over $400,000,
> and didn't cruise much faster, and almost completely had inferior
> performance specs to the -10 in most categories. Even the VNE was
> within a Knot or 2 of the -10.
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You are right. The -10 empty weight is close to my 200hp Mooney(empty
1645, gross 2575), so has better power to weight than Ovation grossing
over 3300lbs and should climb better. Hmm, wonder how hard it would be
to extend the baggage area in the -10. Maybe just for skiis, golf bag, etc.
Tim Olson wrote:
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Well here I can't vouch for the accuracy of their article, but...
I think the RV-10's VNE is 200kts roughly...or around 230mph.
The VNE quoted in the Ovation3 article was probably in IAS,
and I think it was 201kts IAS. So yeah, I guess the Vne isn't
really that equal, given that we're supposed to be using TAS,
and they quoted what I believe is IAS. But, they're not THAT
much faster than the -10...oh, and they praised it's great climb,
but the -10 handily outclimbs it.
The baggage area though, you're right. The -10 has suited me
well, but if there was one thing I'd like more of,it's baggage
volume. We have lots, but my old plane had even more, and
as long as the stuff wasn't too heavy you could carry some
large things....like I stuffed in one of those 2 kid tow
behind bike carriers once...a big plastic one. Can't do that
in the -10.
Nope, the planes are really apples and oranges, so while we
can compare specs, it's still hard to really analyze
to certain levels.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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You need to be careful on this, allot of people follow this list and read your recommendations on both safety of flight issues, as well as equipage for IFR, but they do not know you do not have a pilots license and do not have any IMC time, to make this type of comment could lead allot of low time pilots to believe that they can get by without training. When I got the transition training from Mike and let him review your comment he stated that even he, as the pilot with the "most RV time around" would not get into a new plane and fly when/if there is transition training available, even he would take several hours and learn the intricacies of the new plane.
I can not stress the value of transition training enough, regardless of how much time you have, this is why most insurance agencies will not insure without dual time. We do not want to end up like the Lancair guys and have our insurance so high it is unaffordable. We are building plans valued north of $100k and in the scheme of things transition training is a very low cost item to help ensure a successful first flight.
Dan Lloyd
N289DT
RV10E
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
I guess that mainly depends on how much time and in how many other planes you have flown. My dad didn’t get transition training, just took a demo flight at Van’s (which is far from helpful in learning to fly the plane), and he had no problem (and now has over 400 safe hours in the -10). The plane really is not difficult to fly. I am not knocking transition training at all, but just offering a little more insight from experience.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:38 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think it would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com (jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr(at)wernerco.com (lloyddr(at)wernerco.com)
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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I hope I wasn’t understood to say that Transition Training is not a good idea. I think it is a great idea and very valuable. What I should have added is that the plane is not a difficult airplane to fly (no, I don’t have a pilot’s license, but that doesn’t mean I can’t fly or haven’t flown). I do highly recommend transition training, whether official or otherwise. We had a guy here the other day from Ireland who wanted “Transition Training” because he is hopefully going to fly soon in the UK. He was a very low-time pilot and did quite well moving up from a Cessna 172.
So, for the record:
Low time pilots – Please get some kind of transition training, either official and loggable or otherwise with a competent instructor.
High time pilot with lots of experience in this type of plane – Get transition training if it is possible, but you are not going to be in for a lot of surprises with this one.
The thought of anybody taking my comments on this list as anything more than my opinion based on my experience (or someone else’s experience if so stated) is a little scary.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
You need to be careful on this, allot of people follow this list and read your recommendations on both safety of flight issues, as well as equipage for IFR, but they do not know you do not have a pilots license and do not have any IMC time, to make this type of comment could lead allot of low time pilots to believe that they can get by without training. When I got the transition training from Mike and let him review your comment he stated that even he, as the pilot with the "most RV time around" would not get into a new plane and fly when/if there is transition training available, even he would take several hours and learn the intricacies of the new plane.
I can not stress the value of transition training enough, regardless of how much time you have, this is why most insurance agencies will not insure without dual time. We do not want to end up like the Lancair guys and have our insurance so high it is unaffordable. We are building plans valued north of $100k and in the scheme of things transition training is a very low cost item to help ensure a successful first flight.
Dan Lloyd
N289DT
RV10E
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
I guess that mainly depends on how much time and in how many other planes you have flown. My dad didn’t get transition training, just took a demo flight at Van’s (which is far from helpful in learning to fly the plane), and he had no problem (and now has over 400 safe hours in the -10). The plane really is not difficult to fly. I am not knocking transition training at all, but just offering a little more insight from experience.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:38 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think it would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com (jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr(at)wernerco.com (lloyddr(at)wernerco.com)
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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Jesse,
I did not misunderstand your post and agreed that high time pilots with
recent experience in this type of airplane should not have a problem. That
said my son (a 4,000+ hr w/CFI11 and Falcon 900 driver) and I (lots of F33A
Bonanza, Piper Saratoga, and Cessna 180 time) flew one afternoon with Alex
(not required by the insurance company) for about two hours each. After
which we were both comfortable with the RV-10. Alex also told us we were
good to go. Had we not been comfortable or had Alex recommended more
training we would have stayed the night and done another four hours or
whatever it took to get signed off.
So IMHO the amount of transition training (if any, for high time pilots with
recent experience operating similar equipment) will depend on experience
level.
The problem even with high time pilots is that we get caught up in the
building process and our flight currency goes down hill. If this is the
case by all means get with someone and fly until it all comes back to you.
Don't let overconfidence get you - after all we are all above average
automobile drivers.
I flew the 40 hours off without bending anything. Hope I'm not confusing
skill with luck. The difference being skill is repeatable.
Mark
(N410MR)
| Quote: | From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:57:40 -0400
I hope I wasn't understood to say that Transition Training is not a good
idea. I think it is a great idea and very valuable. What I should have
added is that the plane is not a difficult airplane to fly (no, I don't
have
a pilot's license, but that doesn't mean I can't fly or haven't flown). I
do highly recommend transition training, whether official or otherwise. We
had a guy here the other day from Ireland who wanted "Transition Training"
because he is hopefully going to fly soon in the UK. He was a very
low-time
pilot and did quite well moving up from a Cessna 172.
So, for the record:
Low time pilots - Please get some kind of transition training, either
official and loggable or otherwise with a competent instructor.
High time pilot with lots of experience in this type of plane - Get
transition training if it is possible, but you are not going to be in for a
lot of surprises with this one.
The thought of anybody taking my comments on this list as anything more
than
my opinion based on my experience (or someone else's experience if so
stated) is a little scary.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
You need to be careful on this, allot of people follow this list and read
your recommendations on both safety of flight issues, as well as equipage
for IFR, but they do not know you do not have a pilots license and do not
have any IMC time, to make this type of comment could lead allot of low
time
pilots to believe that they can get by without training. When I got the
transition training from Mike and let him review your comment he stated
that
even he, as the pilot with the "most RV time around" would not get into a
new plane and fly when/if there is transition training available, even he
would take several hours and learn the intricacies of the new plane.
I can not stress the value of transition training enough, regardless of how
much time you have, this is why most insurance agencies will not insure
without dual time. We do not want to end up like the Lancair guys and have
our insurance so high it is unaffordable. We are building plans valued
north
of $100k and in the scheme of things transition training is a very low cost
item to help ensure a successful first flight.
Dan Lloyd
N289DT
RV10E
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
I guess that mainly depends on how much time and in how many other planes
you have flown. My dad didn't get transition training, just took a demo
flight at Van's (which is far from helpful in learning to fly the plane),
and he had no problem (and now has over 400 safe hours in the -10). The
plane really is not difficult to fly. I am not knocking transition
training
at all, but just offering a little more insight from experience.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:38 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I
trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of
new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think
it
would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most
insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to
fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the
factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more
days
to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I
know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I
can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air,
blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over
200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home
stretch,
and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having
been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those
of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress
the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get
used
to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at
first,
but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple
hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is
that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought
I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you
quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training
so
you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans
factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most
memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me
around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane,
all
the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when
he
comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and
Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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Transition training is valuable and a prudent investment whether with Alex or Mike. The good news is that wise insurance underwriters provide a financial incentive to acquire such skills. In thirty years I have never seen a competent pilot who believed there is no inherent value in the investment. I have seen a lot of pilot’s who believed they didn’t need it or that accidents would happen to them. In the DPE circles we called them “Teflon pilots”. Problems never stuck to them. Our aviation club CAA created, in the 1960’s, a program called Flight Profile which the FAA mandated as Bi-ennial Flight Reviews for all US pilots. A second set of eyes, opinions and techniques can always lead to improvement or reinforcement of well learned fundamentals.
Make the investment. Your family deserves nothing less.
Good Job at Pilot judgment Dan.
John Cox - KUAO
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:16 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
You need to be careful on this, allot of people follow this list and read your recommendations on both safety of flight issues, as well as equipage for IFR, but they do not know you do not have a pilots license and do not have any IMC time, to make this type of comment could lead allot of low time pilots to believe that they can get by without training. When I got the transition training from Mike and let him review your comment he stated that even he, as the pilot with the "most RV time around" would not get into a new plane and fly when/if there is transition training available, even he would take several hours and learn the intricacies of the new plane.
I can not stress the value of transition training enough, regardless of how much time you have, this is why most insurance agencies will not insure without dual time. We do not want to end up like the Lancair guys and have our insurance so high it is unaffordable. We are building plans valued north of $100k and in the scheme of things transition training is a very low cost item to help ensure a successful first flight.
Dan Lloyd
N289DT
RV10E
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
I guess that mainly depends on how much time and in how many other planes you have flown. My dad didn’t get transition training, just took a demo flight at Van’s (which is far from helpful in learning to fly the plane), and he had no problem (and now has over 400 safe hours in the -10). The plane really is not difficult to fly. I am not knocking transition training at all, but just offering a little more insight from experience.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:38 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Dan,
I can not agree with you more about the value of transition training. I trained a couple of weeks ago with Alex D in Texas. Yes there are a lot of new things us spam canners need to learn, unlearn, and adjust to. I think it would be a mistake to jump in your new 10 without the training (most insurers wouldn't let you).
I will probably do a few more hours of dual just before mine is ready to fly - I am hoping it is just a couple of months now.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com (jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
Paint prep and LOTS of misc stuff - 90% done, 90% to go!
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Flying the RV10 for the first time
Hey guys,
I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH,
did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight.
I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready.
While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome!
THX
Dan Lloyd
N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!!
Dan Lloyd
Director of Information Technology
Werner Company
93 Werner Road
Greenville, PA 16125
lloyddr(at)wernerco.com (lloyddr(at)wernerco.com)
1-724-588-2000 *2408 work
1-724-988-9230 cell
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