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Larry Bowen
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Ed Anderson
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 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear.
Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the runway at Goosecreek).
Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners that the ending would not have been as happy.
Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the phenomena to verify my theory{:>)
Ed
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Steve Glasgow
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Maybe he hit a rabbit?
Cappy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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In the photos where is the nose wheel pant?
Steve Glasgow <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> wrote: [quote] Maybe he hit a rabbit?
Cappy
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bill(at)repucci.com
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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The original thread mentions that he had removed the nose wheel pant prior to the flight, for reasons unknown.
Bill
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bill(at)repucci.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net. http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is some of the text from the link:
"Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it, how bizarre!"
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rafael(at)gforcecable.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to me to be traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane lengths in 3 seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just faster than 15mph.
I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am really having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are there any issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot and passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of slider over tip-up.
Regards,
Rafael
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net. http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is some of the text from the link:
"Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it, how bizarre!"
Bill
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ronschreck
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Rafael,
There are no issues with nosewheels until they colapse! Taildraggers rule!
Smokey
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From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to me to be
traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane lengths in 3
seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just faster
than 15mph.
I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am really
having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are there any
issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot and
passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of slider
over tip-up.
Regards,
Rafael
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
photos
PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more
pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is
some of the text from the link:
"Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th
June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with
some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it
came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it,
how bizarre!"
Bill
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tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Whatever. Why does the US military not use tailwheels? Huh what do you say to that sir.
[quote]
From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:33:06 EDT
To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
Rafael,
There are no issues with nosewheels until they colapse! Taildraggers rule!
Smokey
>
> From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
>
> I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to me to be
> traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane lengths in 3
> seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just faster
> than 15mph.
>
>
>
> I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am really
> having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are there any
> issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
>
>
>
> BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot and
> passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of slider
> over tip-up.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Rafael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Repucci
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
> To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
> photos
>
>
>
> PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
> http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more
> pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is
> some of the text from the link:
>
> "Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th
> June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with
> some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it
> came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
>
> Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
>
> The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it,
> how bizarre!"
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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bill(at)repucci.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Rafael,
I did not post this to start the nose wheel vs. tail wheel or the slider vs. tip-up discussion (argument) but I did want to point out that the -7A that flipped over in these pictures was a tip-up, not a slider. You are right, the tip-up's roll bar seemed to protect the passengers. (They were both passengers the minute that thing started to flip over.)
As for the nose wheel thing, there seems to be some discussion on the Vansairforce.net forum that indicates the new nose wheel fork with it's added clearance may have solved this problem.
Don't think tail wheel's are problem free. The standard Van's tail hook has been known to catch things, like the edge of a concrete pad, and pull the aft two bulkheads out. The solution for this problem is as simple as replacing the tail wheel with one from Doug Bell or other vendor. (Here's a picture of one installed on my RV: http://www.repucci.com/bill/fuselage/tail%20wheel%20spring%20attachment.jpg.)
BTW, my -9 has a tail wheel and a tip-up.
Good luck with your fuselage!
Bill
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rafael(at)gforcecable.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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You are right, it is a tip-up. I was looking at the airplane inverted and confused the roll bar with the forward end of the slider.
Cheers,
Rafael
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:58 AM
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
Rafael,
I did not post this to start the nose wheel vs. tail wheel or the slider vs. tip-up discussion (argument) but I did want to point out that the -7A that flipped over in these pictures was a tip-up, not a slider. You are right, the tip-up's roll bar seemed to protect the passengers. (They were both passengers the minute that thing started to flip over.)
As for the nose wheel thing, there seems to be some discussion on the Vansairforce.net forum that indicates the new nose wheel fork with it's added clearance may have solved this problem.
Don't think tail wheel's are problem free. The standard Van's tail hook has been known to catch things, like the edge of a concrete pad, and pull the aft two bulkheads out. The solution for this problem is as simple as replacing the tail wheel with one from Doug Bell or other vendor. (Here's a picture of one installed on my RV: http://www.repucci.com/bill/fuselage/tail%20wheel%20spring%20attachment.jpg.)
BTW, my -9 has a tail wheel and a tip-up.
Good luck with your fuselage!
Bill
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ronschreck
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Sir,
About the time the US Army Air Corps decomissioned their last sod field they stopped contracting for tailwheel aircraft. Read about the turbine powered "P-51" Cavalier. The biggest reason they lost federal financing and any hopes of a lucrative contract was because of the lack of a nose wheel. Don't think that reasoning had ever been applied prior to that time. Nosegear aircraft are easier to land on improved surfaces. Tailwheel aircraft are safer to land on unimproved surfaces. This is a generalization, of course, but you get the point. Let's do some touch & go's at Stormy's place and see what you think. 
Smokey
[quote]
From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:42:28 EDT
To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
Whatever. Why does the US military not use tailwheels? Huh what do you say to that sir.
>
> From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:33:06 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
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>
> Rafael,
>
> There are no issues with nosewheels until they colapse! Taildraggers rule!
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
> >
> > I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to me to be
> > traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane lengths in 3
> > seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just faster
> > than 15mph.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am really
> > having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are there any
> > issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot and
> > passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of slider
> > over tip-up.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Rafael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> > Repucci
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
> > photos
> >
> >
> >
> > PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
> > http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more
> > pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is
> > some of the text from the link:
> >
> > "Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th
> > June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with
> > some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it
> > came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
> >
> > Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
> >
> > The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it,
> > how bizarre!"
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
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rafael(at)gforcecable.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Smokey,
What you say makes a lot of sense to me. I still believe the most important
factor is piloting technique. I suspect there is nothing wrong with the RV
nose wheel and the failures are due to the pilot bringing the nose down by
applying the brakes at too high a speed.
I have been taking some transition training on an RV6A. We have been doing
some touch & go's with the nose wheel never touching the pavement. I strive
to land and keep the nosewheel off the ground as long as possible, a
technique I try to use in any airplane, especially in unimproved fields.
Cheers,
Rafael
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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I have a renewed respect for the precariousness of the nosewheel after seeing that vid and pix. Just today I had a car on the road whose speed of travel placed him at the threshold at the exact moment I crossed it to land here. With my attention diverted to ensure I didn't crease his roof, I looked up at the ASI to see 55 mph when I should see 65. Knowing I was way behind the curve with the bottom about to drop out, I came in with a burst of power. I ballooned a bit and floated a bit, but the touchdown was smooth, not the THUNK that would otherwise have occurred (so I've been told - not that I ever abuse my landing gear that way.) You can bet that video was in my mind as I punched the throttle. I replaced my nosegear years ago as a precaution, but it's the original fork on there. The surface here is okay but not great; no holes but plenty of bumps. I have no desire to test the stoutness of the nose leg. Full back elevator as soon as I can get it in without scraping the rudder bottom, and no brakes until truly needed on rollout is my rule on every landing.
Y'all be careful coming in here. I might just opt to add hull coverage for the first time ever, since they dropped my liability-only rates to about $300/year this year (over the magic 600 hour mark, I guess.)
-Stormy
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)> wrote:[quote] --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)>
Sir,
About the time the US Army Air Corps decomissioned their last sod field they stopped contracting for tailwheel aircraft. Read about the turbine powered "P-51" Cavalier. The biggest reason they lost federal financing and any hopes of a lucrative contract was because of the lack of a nose wheel. Don't think that reasoning had ever been applied prior to that time. Nosegear aircraft are easier to land on improved surfaces. Tailwheel aircraft are safer to land on unimproved surfaces. This is a generalization, of course, but you get the point. Let's do some touch & go's at Stormy's place and see what you think.
Smokey
[quote]
From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net (tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net)>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:42:28 EDT
To: < rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: < tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net (tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net)>
Whatever. Why does the US military not use tailwheels? Huh what do you say to that sir.
>
> From: Ron Schreck < ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:33:06 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>
> Subject: Re: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)>
>
> Rafael,
>
> There are no issues with nosewheels until they colapse! Taildraggers rule!
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com (rafael(at)gforcecable.com)>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>
> > Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
> >
> > I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to me to be
> > traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane lengths in 3
> > seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just faster
> > than 15mph.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am really
> > having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are there any
> > issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot and
> > passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of slider
> > over tip-up.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Rafael
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > [mailto: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bill
> > Repucci
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
> > photos
> >
> >
> >
> > PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
> > http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more
> > pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is
> > some of the text from the link:
> >
> > "Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th
> > June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with
> > some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it
> > came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
> >
> > Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
> >
> > The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it,
> > how bizarre!"
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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ronschreck
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Stormy,
Welcome home! Did you make it to the Grand Canyon? Kathy and I really want to take that trip, but the timing wasn't right to continue that way from Yellowstone. Hope you had a good time. If we do that trip next year you can be our guide!
Smokey
[quote]
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 02:32:28 EDT
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
I have a renewed respect for the precariousness of the nosewheel after
seeing that vid and pix. Just today I had a car on the road whose speed of
travel placed him at the threshold at the exact moment I crossed it to land
here. With my attention diverted to ensure I didn't crease his roof, I
looked up at the ASI to see 55 mph when I should see 65. Knowing I was way
behind the curve with the bottom about to drop out, I came in with a burst
of power. I ballooned a bit and floated a bit, but the touchdown was
smooth, not the THUNK that would otherwise have occurred (so I've been told
- not that I ever abuse my landing gear that way.) You can bet that video
was in my mind as I punched the throttle. I replaced my nosegear years ago
as a precaution, but it's the original fork on there. The surface here is
okay but not great; no holes but plenty of bumps. I have no desire to test
the stoutness of the nose leg. Full back elevator as soon as I can get it
in without scraping the rudder bottom, and no brakes until truly needed on
rollout is my rule on every landing.
Y'all be careful coming in here. I might just opt to add hull coverage for
the first time ever, since they dropped my liability-only rates to about
$300/year this year (over the magic 600 hour mark, I guess.)
-Stormy
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> Sir,
>
> About the time the US Army Air Corps decomissioned their last sod field
> they stopped contracting for tailwheel aircraft. Read about the turbine
> powered "P-51" Cavalier. The biggest reason they lost federal financing and
> any hopes of a lucrative contract was because of the lack of a nose
> wheel. Don't think that reasoning had ever been applied prior to that
> time. Nosegear aircraft are easier to land on improved surfaces. Tailwheel
> aircraft are safer to land on unimproved surfaces. This is a
> generalization, of course, but you get the point. Let's do some touch &
> go's at Stormy's place and see what you think.
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:42:28 EDT
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over photos
> >
> >
> >
> > Whatever. Why does the US military not use tailwheels? Huh what do you
> say to that sir.
> > >
> > > From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:33:06 EDT
> > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over photos
> > >
> > >
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Rafael,
> > >
> > > There are no issues with nosewheels until they colapse! Taildraggers
> rule!
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > > >
> > > > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
> > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over photos
> > > >
> > > > I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to
> me to be
> > > > traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane
> lengths in 3
> > > > seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just
> faster
> > > > than 15mph.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am
> really
> > > > having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are
> there any
> > > > issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot
> and
> > > > passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of
> slider
> > > > over tip-up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rafael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill
> > > > Repucci
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
> > > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over
> > > > photos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
> > > > http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see
> more
> > > > pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going
> over. Here is
> > > > some of the text from the link:
> > > >
> > > > "Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm
> on 9th
> > > > June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and
> with
> > > > some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and
> when it
> > > > came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
> > > >
> > > > Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
> > > >
> > > > The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have
> handled it,
> > > > how bizarre!"
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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sportav8r(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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We ended up only overflying the Grand on the way out... after two days in Utah seeing the Zion NP and Bryce Canyon up close from the ground, we were convinced the Grand would be anticlimactic by comparison, and were right, I think.
We found the best Mex restaurant ever in Kanab, UT. But the best Margaritas were the 27 ouncers in Cody, by a slim margin. The banana margaritas at the place in Kanab were fine, but smaller.
We'll be happy to share what we've learned. Visually, Yellowstone pales compared to Zion and Bryce, and the Grand looks like a big hazy ditch from the allowed overflight altitudes.
-Stormy
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)> wrote:[quote] --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)>
Stormy,
Welcome home! Did you make it to the Grand Canyon? Kathy and I really want to take that trip, but the timing wasn't right to continue that way from Yellowstone. Hope you had a good time. If we do that trip next year you can be our guide!
Smokey
| Quote: |
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com (sportav8r(at)gmail.com)>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 02:32:28 EDT
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
I have a renewed respect for the precariousness of the nosewheel after
seeing that vid and pix. Just today I had a car on the road whose speed of
travel placed him at the threshold at the exact moment I crossed it to land
here. With my attention diverted to ensure I didn't crease his roof, I
looked up at the ASI to see 55 mph when I should see 65. Knowing I was way
behind the curve with the bottom about to drop out, I came in with a burst
of power. I ballooned a bit and floated a bit, but the touchdown was
smooth, not the THUNK that would otherwise have occurred (so I've been told
- not that I ever abuse my landing gear that way.) You can bet that video
was in my mind as I punched the throttle. I replaced my nosegear years ago
as a precaution, but it's the original fork on there. The surface here is
okay but not great; no holes but plenty of bumps. I have no desire to test
the stoutness of the nose leg. Full back elevator as soon as I can get it
in without scraping the rudder bottom, and no brakes until truly needed on
rollout is my rule on every landing.
Y'all be careful coming in here. I might just opt to add hull coverage for
the first time ever, since they dropped my liability-only rates to about
$300/year this year (over the magic 600 hour mark, I guess.)
-Stormy
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)> wrote:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: Ron Schreck <
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net (ronschreck(at)windstream.net)>
>
> Sir,
>
> > About the time the US Army Air Corps decomissioned their last sod field
|
| Quote: | > they stopped contracting for tailwheel aircraft. Read about the turbine
> powered "P-51" Cavalier. The biggest reason they lost federal financing and
> any hopes of a lucrative contract was because of the lack of a nose
> wheel. Don't think that reasoning had ever been applied prior to that
> time. Nosegear aircraft are easier to land on improved surfaces. Tailwheel
> aircraft are safer to land on unimproved surfaces. This is a
> generalization, of course, but you get the point. Let's do some touch &
> go's at Stormy's place and see what you think.
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net (tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net)>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:42:28 EDT
> > To: < rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>
> > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over photos
> >
> > > --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net (tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net)>
|
| Quote: | > > >
> > > There are no issues with nosewheels until they colapse! Taildraggers
> rule!
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > > >
> > > > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com (rafael(at)gforcecable.com)>
> > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> > > > To: < rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com (rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com)>
> > > > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over photos
> > > >
> > > > I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to
> me to be
> > > > traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane
> lengths in 3
> > > > seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just
> faster
> > > > than 15mph.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am
> really
> > > > having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are
> there any
> > > > issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot
> and
> > > > passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of
> slider
> > > > over tip-up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rafael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > > > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of
> Bill
> > > > Repucci
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
|
| Quote: | > > > > June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and
> with
> > > > some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and
> when it
> > > > came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
> > > >
> > > > Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
> > > >
> > > > The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have
> handled it,
> > > > how bizarre!"
> > > >
> > > > > Bill
|
[quote] > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Done, but we only count the times when YOUR wheels stay on the ground and not bounce.
Fair enough?
Stripes
[quote]
From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 12:55:07 EDT
To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
Sir,
About the time the US Army Air Corps decomissioned their last sod field they stopped contracting for tailwheel aircraft. Read about the turbine powered "P-51" Cavalier. The biggest reason they lost federal financing and any hopes of a lucrative contract was because of the lack of a nose wheel. Don't think that reasoning had ever been applied prior to that time. Nosegear aircraft are easier to land on improved surfaces. Tailwheel aircraft are safer to land on unimproved surfaces. This is a generalization, of course, but you get the point. Let's do some touch & go's at Stormy's place and see what you think.
Smokey
>
> From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:42:28 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
>
>
>
> Whatever. Why does the US military not use tailwheels? Huh what do you say to that sir.
> >
> > From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:33:06 EDT
> > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
> >
> >
> >
> > Rafael,
> >
> > There are no issues with nosewheels until they colapse! Taildraggers rule!
> >
> > Smokey
> > >
> > > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
> > >
> > > I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems to me to be
> > > traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane lengths in 3
> > > seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast, just faster
> > > than 15mph.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and am really
> > > having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are there any
> > > issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the pilot and
> > > passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision of slider
> > > over tip-up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rafael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> > > Repucci
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over
> > > photos
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
> > > http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see more
> > > pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going over. Here is
> > > some of the text from the link:
> > >
> > > "Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft Farm on 9th
> > > June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll, and with
> > > some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and when it
> > > came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
> > >
> > > Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground marshal.
> > >
> > > The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have handled it,
> > > how bizarre!"
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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flyguy
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 325
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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If anyone's interested, Ben is going to Reno for Air
Races in mid-Sept., and I'll be going w/ him. could
gaggle it out for 'Most Excellent Adventure II'.
Southern rout takes in Albequerque and G. Canyon as
wellas Vegas...Reno.
--- Bill Boyd <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | We ended up only overflying the Grand on the way
out... after two days in
Utah seeing the Zion NP and Bryce Canyon up close
from the ground, we were
convinced the Grand would be anticlimactic by
comparison, and were right, I
think.
We found the best Mex restaurant ever in Kanab, UT.
But the best Margaritas
were the 27 ouncers in Cody, by a slim margin. The
banana margaritas at the
place in Kanab were fine, but smaller.
We'll be happy to share what we've learned.
Visually, Yellowstone pales
compared to Zion and Bryce, and the Grand looks like
a big hazy ditch from
the allowed overflight altitudes.
-Stormy
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
wrote:
>
>
Schreck <
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> Stormy,
>
> Welcome home! Did you make it to the Grand
Canyon? Kathy and I really
> want to take that trip, but the timing wasn't
right to continue that way
> from Yellowstone. Hope you had a good time. If
we do that trip next year
> you can be our guide!
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 02:32:28 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd:
[SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over photos
> >
> > I have a renewed respect for the precariousness
of the nosewheel after
> > seeing that vid and pix. Just today I had a car
on the road whose speed
> of
> > travel placed him at the threshold at the exact
moment I crossed it to
> land
> > here. With my attention diverted to ensure I
didn't crease his roof, I
> > looked up at the ASI to see 55 mph when I should
see 65. Knowing I was
> way
> > behind the curve with the bottom about to drop
out, I came in with a
> burst
> > of power. I ballooned a bit and floated a bit,
but the touchdown was
> > smooth, not the THUNK that would otherwise have
occurred (so I've been
> told
> > - not that I ever abuse my landing gear that
way.) You can bet that
> video
> > was in my mind as I punched the throttle. I
replaced my nosegear years
> ago
> > as a precaution, but it's the original fork on
there. The surface here
> is
> > okay but not great; no holes but plenty of
bumps. I have no desire to
> test
> > the stoutness of the nose leg. Full back
elevator as soon as I can get
> it
> > in without scraping the rudder bottom, and no
brakes until truly needed
> on
> > rollout is my rule on every landing.
> >
> > Y'all be careful coming in here. I might just
opt to add hull coverage
> for
> > the first time ever, since they dropped my
liability-only rates to about
> > $300/year this year (over the magic 600 hour
mark, I guess.)
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
<ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
Schreck <
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Sir,
> > >
> > > About the time the US Army Air Corps
decomissioned their last sod
> field
> > > they stopped contracting for tailwheel
aircraft. Read about the
> turbine
> > > powered "P-51" Cavalier. The biggest reason
they lost federal
> financing and
> > > any hopes of a lucrative contract was because
of the lack of a nose
> > > wheel. Don't think that reasoning had ever
been applied prior to that
> > > time. Nosegear aircraft are easier to land on
improved
> surfaces. Tailwheel
> > > aircraft are safer to land on unimproved
surfaces. This is a
> > > generalization, of course, but you get the
point. Let's do some touch
> &
> > > go's at Stormy's place and see what you think.
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > > >
> > > > From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
> > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:42:28 EDT
> > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd:
[SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A
> flipping
> > > over photos
> > > >
> > > >
<tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
> > > >
> > > > Whatever. Why does the US military not use
tailwheels? Huh what do
> you
> > > say to that sir.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Ron Schreck
<ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:33:06 EDT
> > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd:
[SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A
> flipping
> > > over photos
> > > > >
> > > > >
Ron Schreck <
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Rafael,
> > > > >
> > > > > There are no issues with nosewheels until
they
> colapse! Taildraggers
> > > rule!
> > > > >
> > > > > Smokey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
> > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> > > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Fwd:
[SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A
> flipping
> > > over photos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I may be all wrong, but after viewing
the video, the plane seems
> to
> > > me to be
> > > > > > traveling much faster than 15mph. I
estimate over 10 airplane
> > > lengths in 3
> > > > > > seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not
that this is too fast,
> just
> > > faster
> > > > > > than 15mph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will be receiving my 7A quick-build
kit in about 2 weeks and
> am
> > > really
> > > > > > having second thoughts on the tri-cycle
gear configuration. Are
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Stormy,
I agree with you 100%! A few years back I spent a four days hiking the North rim trail in Zion, two through hiking the Narrows, and a day walking around Bryce. The beauty of the place is just unimaginable. Talk about sensory overload.
Bill
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ronschreck
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 192
Location: Gold Hill Airpark, NC (NC25)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos |
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Stormy,
Hope you kept good notes. You may be flight lead for next year's trip! We stopped a Clinton, OK on the way to Houston. Can't beat the $3.25 gas and great service. That's my third stop there.
Smokey
[quote]
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 06:22:05 EDT
To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos
We ended up only overflying the Grand on the way out... after two days in
Utah seeing the Zion NP and Bryce Canyon up close from the ground, we were
convinced the Grand would be anticlimactic by comparison, and were right, I
think.
We found the best Mex restaurant ever in Kanab, UT. But the best Margaritas
were the 27 ouncers in Cody, by a slim margin. The banana margaritas at the
place in Kanab were fine, but smaller.
We'll be happy to share what we've learned. Visually, Yellowstone pales
compared to Zion and Bryce, and the Grand looks like a big hazy ditch from
the allowed overflight altitudes.
-Stormy
On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
>
> Stormy,
>
> Welcome home! Did you make it to the Grand Canyon? Kathy and I really
> want to take that trip, but the timing wasn't right to continue that way
> from Yellowstone. Hope you had a good time. If we do that trip next year
> you can be our guide!
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 02:32:28 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping
> over photos
> >
> > I have a renewed respect for the precariousness of the nosewheel after
> > seeing that vid and pix. Just today I had a car on the road whose speed
> of
> > travel placed him at the threshold at the exact moment I crossed it to
> land
> > here. With my attention diverted to ensure I didn't crease his roof, I
> > looked up at the ASI to see 55 mph when I should see 65. Knowing I was
> way
> > behind the curve with the bottom about to drop out, I came in with a
> burst
> > of power. I ballooned a bit and floated a bit, but the touchdown was
> > smooth, not the THUNK that would otherwise have occurred (so I've been
> told
> > - not that I ever abuse my landing gear that way.) You can bet that
> video
> > was in my mind as I punched the throttle. I replaced my nosegear years
> ago
> > as a precaution, but it's the original fork on there. The surface here
> is
> > okay but not great; no holes but plenty of bumps. I have no desire to
> test
> > the stoutness of the nose leg. Full back elevator as soon as I can get
> it
> > in without scraping the rudder bottom, and no brakes until truly needed
> on
> > rollout is my rule on every landing.
> >
> > Y'all be careful coming in here. I might just opt to add hull coverage
> for
> > the first time ever, since they dropped my liability-only rates to about
> > $300/year this year (over the magic 600 hour mark, I guess.)
> >
> > -Stormy
> >
> > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > >
> > > Sir,
> > >
> > > About the time the US Army Air Corps decomissioned their last sod
> field
> > > they stopped contracting for tailwheel aircraft. Read about the
> turbine
> > > powered "P-51" Cavalier. The biggest reason they lost federal
> financing and
> > > any hopes of a lucrative contract was because of the lack of a nose
> > > wheel. Don't think that reasoning had ever been applied prior to that
> > > time. Nosegear aircraft are easier to land on improved
> surfaces. Tailwheel
> > > aircraft are safer to land on unimproved surfaces. This is a
> > > generalization, of course, but you get the point. Let's do some touch
> &
> > > go's at Stormy's place and see what you think.
> > >
> > > Smokey
> > > >
> > > > From: <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net>
> > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:42:28 EDT
> > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A
> flipping
> > > over photos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whatever. Why does the US military not use tailwheels? Huh what do
> you
> > > say to that sir.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:33:06 EDT
> > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A
> flipping
> > > over photos
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ronschreck(at)windstream.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Rafael,
> > > > >
> > > > > There are no issues with nosewheels until they
> colapse! Taildraggers
> > > rule!
> > > > >
> > > > > Smokey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "Rafael" <rafael(at)gforcecable.com>
> > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 11:10:33 EDT
> > > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A
> flipping
> > > over photos
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I may be all wrong, but after viewing the video, the plane seems
> to
> > > me to be
> > > > > > traveling much faster than 15mph. I estimate over 10 airplane
> > > lengths in 3
> > > > > > seconds, which is closer to 50mph. Not that this is too fast,
> just
> > > faster
> > > > > > than 15mph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will be receiving my 7A quick-build kit in about 2 weeks and
> am
> > > really
> > > > > > having second thoughts on the tri-cycle gear configuration. Are
> > > there any
> > > > > > issues with the 7A nose-wheel?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, it looks like having the slider somewhat protected the
> pilot
> > > and
> > > > > > passenger. This video as well as other advice made my decision
> of
> > > slider
> > > > > > over tip-up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rafael
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > > > > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Bill
> > > > > > Repucci
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:30 AM
> > > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A
> flipping
> > > over
> > > > > > photos
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS. This link was just posted on vansairforce.net.
> > > > > > http://www.eezicam.co.uk/intro.htm Scroll down and you will see
> > > more
> > > > > > pictures and a link to a cell phone video of the plane going
> > > over. Here is
> > > > > > some of the text from the link:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Unfortunately, Romeo Mike was damaged in an incident at Croft
> Farm
> > > on 9th
> > > > > > June. The damage is substantial. At the end of the landing roll,
> and
> > > with
> > > > > > some braking applied, the nose was bounced back into the air and
> > > when it
> > > > > > came down it buckled under and flipped the aircraft over.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speed was estimated as 10-15 mph by Richard and a ground
> marshal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The runway was not a bad surface and the aircraft should have
> > > handled it,
> > > > > > how bizarre!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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