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gmcjetpilot
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 Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?) |
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Bob:
Me Think Doth Protest Ye Too Much,
Bob there you go again, lugubrious as usual, exercising mass
rhetoric and demagoguery. You have out done your self. I have
to say I'm flattered at your ad-hominem attack. Thanks. You make
everything personal Bob and it's not. Facts Bob, facts please.
Of course a builder was in a state of panic, they read your manifesto.
I'd be scared to, hearing how terrible internally regulated alternators
are according to you. (ha-ha) I just think you are wrong, all right.
Peace Bob, I don't want to fight with you and I am not. They
are my opinions based on building, flying and maintaining
many experimental aircraft and actually listening to all your
advice, plus my research and my engineering back-ground. Of
course engineers are stupid according to you, but I digress.
If you are this sensitive to any criticism or disagreement from
your edicts and decrees, it really says more than I could say
about you in a 10,000 words my friend. It's just an alternator.
Bob, you misconstrue, distort and use "straw-man" arguments
to make your points, which just misdirects and distracts from
the point. You seem to say, "I never said", a lot? Bob no one
said you did say it. I'm only providing my unique insight,
because you didn't say it. It seems to me you can't grip the
concept that someone else has unique ideas, which you did
not consider or think of. Disagree, fine, but not all thought and
ideas come from you Bob. Hard to believe, I know.
I'll read your manifesto when I get a chance. I'm sure I will
enjoy it. However the vitriol and pettiness is unwarranted.
Everything I said is true about you Bob, and I appreciate all the
cool stuff and info you provide, just not crow-bars on internally
regulated alternators, sorry, and why? (with plane power units)
I could write a word-by-word nit-pick reply of everything you have
said now and in the past, but I have a life. If the "crow-bar" on an
internally regulated alternator is a good idea to you, more power to
you, but you really don't understand how they are designed, work
and fail. Actually you admitted that in your own words a year or so
ago. So how can you make a band-aid for a device you don't
understand? You can't. You can antagonize me with a 10,000,
words but I reply.....it's getting boring, ho-hum, u make me laugh.
Keep scaring those builders and panic them with gloom-n-doom.
You know if you don't use a crow-bar, the terrorist will win.
(joking of course). BTW, congrats on your new career move.
Take care, God Bless
George (the 1st) ATP,CFI-II-ME, MSME, B7375767, RV-4/7
PS: My "George is still at it..." advice:
My advice to builders is actually the same as Bob's, get an externally
regulated alternator if you are worried or your mission requires it, aka
IFR. The only thing I add is use a solid state regulator (Transpo
V1200) with solid state OV protection, not a 1970's something Ford
unit with a crow-bar add-on. There is no reason to involve a CB with
solid state relay technology. B&C is crazy expensive, so forget that.
My alternative (really 1st) recommendation is use Plane Power units.
They have better fans and brushes than stock or B&C units, and they
offer both internally and externally regulated units. The beauty of
their internal units is they add an elegant secondary OV protection
device, which I think is very suitable for any critical EFIS or IFR
mission plane. My opinion of course, but RV builders love their Plane
Power alternators. They are an excellent value. I have looked into it,
and they offer an outstanding product. (sorry B&C no offense too $$$)
Bob, you say you have data, but you don't put forth any information;
just very strong rhetoric. I assume you don't have it, mostly hyped
stories you heard second hand. That's not very scientific of you and it
scares people. A stock high quality ND clone alternator installed &
operated properly is very reliable and benign, with out an OV relay.
Disagree, fine, but show me some facts. I don't have hard data
either, but I'm not a hypocrite pretending I do, hiding behind a large
soap box. Even after a product like Plane Power comes out, you still
push the crow-bars on ND alternators. Don't get it, so with respect I
agree to disagree. (Note: Van's Aircraft will not warranty any ND
alternator you buy from them, if you put a crow bar on it, hint.)
What part of, I think a crow-bar and OV relay is a bad idea on an
internally regulated ND alternator don't understand? My opinion, sue
me. Nuff said.
Cheers, G (U all are too up-tight, relax this is suppose to be fun, gee.)
>From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III
| Quote: | Subject: George is still at it . . .
I'm not going to enter into any further discussions about
George's convoluted offerings but refer folks to these
documents (edit: GOOD):
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http://aeroelectric.com/articles/The_Truth_about_Crowbar_OV_Protection.pdf
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/gmcjetpilot.html
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?) |
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:11 AM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com; nuckollsr(at)cox.net
Subject: Re: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?)
Take care, God Bless
George (the 1st) ATP,CFI-II-ME, MSME, B7375767, RV-4/7
George,
Just out of curiosity, what is your real first and last name and where do you live? It would be nice to know who everyone is on these lists.
Simon Ramirez, Aerocanard Builder
LEZ N-44LZ
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n395v
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: Re: George is still at it . . . (yep and why not?) |
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George,
I am impressed. Bob has posted your very own article about you. You now have joined the ranks of the famous along with Greg Richter.
Last time I tweaked Bobs nose for being less than civil in his responses all I got were a couple of hateful e mails from his groupies.
Maybe I should have asked the e mailers for their last names. But then again I just do not see where that would be of any help.
Keep at it George I enjoy your posts here and on the Vans Air Force forums. I find most of them informative and useful.
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Great response Bob. Ever the bully.
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