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nielskock(at)get2net.dk
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: 10672

Slightly embarrassed to ask:

 What,exactly is mod 10672? Never heard about it

 (or have plum forgotten, more likely).

 Niels

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richard(at)scarrhillalpac
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: 10672

Niels,

   This is the Club mod for the TP5 And TP6 sleeve, check out link below.



http://www.europaclub.org.uk/mods/improved_tp5_and_tp6_sleeve_retention.shtml

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: 10672

Niels

This mod is one that most of us wish we had done, unfortunately it isn't 

easily retro fitted.

Graham



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 What,exactly is mod 10672? Never heard about it

 (or have plum forgotten, more likely).

 Niels

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: 10672

Hi! Neils  I patched the mod in direct . It can only be done during build and links the two tailplane bushes.  Regards  Bob harrison.        Improved TP5 and TP6 Sleeve Retention          

Ownership         

Europa Club             

Rickard   Rating         

Simple Mod             

PFA Mod #         

10672             

Purpose         

Reduce the risk of the torque-tube sleeves becoming disbonded from the tailplane,   and the inside of the tailplane being damaged   during fitting or storage             

Description         

Instructions for creating a bid tube surrounding the TP5   and TP6 torque-tube sleeves and bonding the sleeve into the TP2 foam and to   the inboard and outboard tailplane ribs             

Contact         

Europa Club Membership Secretary             

Details

   (members only)         

PDF

   Photos: Enlarging hole, newspaper applied, laying up, cutting film, tube completed, rib completed, installed         

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Robt.C.Harrison  

  

   

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Slightly embarrassed to ask:  

    

What,exactly is mod 10672? Never heard about it  

    

(or have plum forgotten, more likely).  

    

Niels  

    

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DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: 10672

To All that might know,

  

 This was done on builds with the foam cores that you covered with BID. What  about the tailplanes that came precovered, as in the quick build kits? Since  they came after the foam core, was this mod done to them? Or am I  mistaken...again?   

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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: 10672

It's a club mod, not a factory mod and logic dictates that the factory does not incorporate club mods. 

Maybe it's possible to do the mod after wards, but it will be difficult, especially the bond to the inboard rib. Maybe through enlarged pip- and drainage holes?



Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: 10672

Mike

  

 "This was done on builds with the foam cores  that you covered with BID. What about the tail planes that came pre-covered, as  in the quick build kits? Since they came after the foam core, was this mod done  to them"

  

  

 Let me try and clear this up for  you.

  

 Quick build kits were foam cores that were  taken to Czech and built up for you.  From those I have seen they are  extremely well made and are built exactly to  the build manual.  They  do not have the mod 10672.  They do vary slightly in that the TP6 bush (in  one I have just done Mod 73 on) is 12mm longer than the TP6 in all the other  tail planes. 

  

 There are some "pre-moulded" tail planes (ie  no foam core) but as far as I know only Andy Draper's (G-GBXS) and Peter  Kember's (G-TOPK) have them fitted.  I believe the factory has a small  number of them in stock. 

  

  

  

Ian Rickard  #505 G-IANI XS Trigear

Europa Club Mods Rep  (Trigear)

e-mail mods(at)europaclub.org.uk  

   or direct  g-iani(at)ntlworld.com  

  

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Fergus Kyle

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 291
Location: Burlington ON Canada

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: 10672

Well, I don't recall ever seeing this mod mentioned - and I have

been a member for many years. How was this mod promulgated - only to

members?,  by publishing in the Flyer?, as an adjunct to a fly-in? How? I

note that to acquire the mod, I needed to apply my membership particulars to

enter. How can we argue for the good of all if foreign aircraft may come

hurtling out of the sky?

	Having completed the construction of the stabs the best way I know

how, it means another construction job I guess. Do the latest kits contain a

cure?

	It appears to me that the discovery of a possible fault is on the

conscience of the discoverer - and that a universal and repairable solution

be made available. If it be PFA, then we should all wait for their

acceptance of AAIB proof and propose a cure.

 	Just as well because the first time I applied the stabs to the

trailer, one of them captured the plastic cap from the vertical tube and

it's still in there................

	Happy (and successful) Landings,

Ferg

josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: 10672

Hi Ferg,

The mod is available for all on the club's pages : 

http://www.europaclub.org.uk

And that of course is the way it should be. It has been there probably before i ever heard of the Europa kit plane. and that's a few years ago. 



One of the problems with information is that there is so much of it. Life would be a lot easier if it all was in one place. Now we have a factory website, a club website, the list, the forum, and probably some 50 more or less comprehensive builders websites. At the time Steve Dunsmeir started the forum i have tried to combine as much as possible, and it turned out to be impossible. For owners and builders the offer of a free site, for each and every project still stands. Even help for setting it up, just write me or Steve. Yesterday i noticed that we are up to 8500 pictures, something for a rainy day eh?



Kind Regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: 10672

Jos

I think there are a lot of people on the forum who still don't realise 

how much you have done for the Club. There aer those who do though so 

"never give up!"

Graham

and fly safe!



josok wrote:

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 Hi Ferg,

 The mod is available for all on the club's pages : 

 http://www.europaclub.org.uk

 And that of course is the way it should be. It has been there probably before i ever heard of the Europa kit plane. and that's a few years ago. 

 

 One of the problems with information is that there is so much of it. Life would be a lot easier if it all was in one place. Now we have a factory website, a club website, the list, the forum, and probably some 50 more or less comprehensive builders websites. At the time Steve Dunsmeir started the forum i have tried to combine as much as possible, and it turned out to be impossible. For owners and builders the offer of a free site, for each and every project still stands. Even help for setting it up, just write me or Steve. Yesterday i noticed that we are up to 8500 pictures, something for a rainy day eh?

 

 Kind Regards,

 

 Jos Okhuijsen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


	


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josok-e(at)ukolo.fi
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: 10672

Graham, 



It's the other way around. I feel this community has helped me with the build, the thinking aound the built, and most important kept me going at the moments i thought about dropping the whole thing. Now that it's really flying and very good, all that seems a long way ago. But, if i can get my hands on any other build to  help, i will travel and do the same work again with pleasure. But hey, thats what you are doing as well eh?



Kind regards,



Jos Okhuijsen

Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

philip_lincoln(at)hotmail
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: 10672

The first I heard about it was on this mailing list back in 2000 (maybe even 

1999?). I think the complete text/description may have been posted. I'm not 

even sure it was an "officially approved PFA mod" with number and all back 

then (maybe wrong here...). I incorporated it on or about July 2000 (kit 

426, Tri-Gear) and even then was glad I did - the whole assembly just seems 

more "solid", which, of course, it is.



Still building (every now-and-then...),

     Philip (Stockholm, Sweden)



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From:  "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO(at)rac.ca>

Reply-To:  europa-list(at)matronics.com

To:  "EUROPALIST" <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject:  10672

Date:  Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:03:58 -0400

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Well, I don't recall ever seeing this mod mentioned - and I have

been a member for many years. How was this mod promulgated - only to

members?,  by publishing in the Flyer?, as an adjunct to a fly-in? How? I

note that to acquire the mod, I needed to apply my membership particulars 

to

enter. How can we argue for the good of all if foreign aircraft may come

hurtling out of the sky?

Having completed the construction of the stabs the best way I know

how, it means another construction job I guess. Do the latest kits contain 

a

cure?

It appears to me that the discovery of a possible fault is on the

conscience of the discoverer - and that a universal and repairable solution

be made available. If it be PFA, then we should all wait for their

acceptance of AAIB proof and propose a cure.

   Just as well because the first time I applied the stabs to the

trailer, one of them captured the plastic cap from the vertical tube and

it's still in there................

Happy (and successful) Landings,

Ferg




	


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Fergus Kyle

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 291
Location: Burlington ON Canada

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: 10672

"Jos

I think there are a lot of people on the forum who still don't realise 

how much you have done for the Club. There aer those who do though so 

"never give up!"

Graham

and fly safe!"



Amen to that.  

My diatribe wasn't meant to complain about anyone - just amazement that I

had missed a mod. Probably one day off. Perhaps I should monitor the PFA

list if that's possible. 

Jos, thank you!

Ferg

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