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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: ejection seat stats

Anyone have statistics on successful or otherwise ejections on L29?  

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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: ejection seat stats

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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: ejection seat stats

I had a friend in an L-39 decide to use his "Extra Option" one day. Airplane  was fresh out of annual. Forgot to lock the front radio bay, it came open as he  rotated, the suit case opened everything went into the intake. At 50' he decided  aha! I have a seat, goodie. He punched out AFTER the airplane rolled 90 degrees,  at 50'. He died what I can only imagine was a very painful death. Not because  the seat didn't work, but because he was untrained in ejection technique, was  untrained as to the limits of what the seat can do and he forgot the one and  only memory item on any check list you have. There is only one thing you need to  memorize, "FLY THE AIRPLANE". You see, in front of him was over 2000' more  runway and a nice grass over run. I'd say he had a false sense of security  having a Hot Seat. You can't leave the aircraft unattended, you can't show it to  people, My first year at Oskosh with mine, I had 75 photos taken with kids in  the front seat. That was the best time I've had with my jet. Sharing it with  others. I wouldn't let them near a hot seat, whether it was pinned or not. Shit  happens! If it was the Mig 21 that requires hydraulics to fly, that may be  different. But this is a mechanical airplane. 

Like I said, it stalls at 72 and lands on dirt at 90. You need a seat  because????? I'll bet the airplane you learned to do aerobatics in didn't have a  hot seat? 

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Ernie

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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: ejection seat stats

And no one is shooting at you!



Ernie



On 9/12/07, czech6(at)kellin.net (czech6(at)kellin.net) < czech6(at)kellin.net (czech6(at)kellin.net)> wrote:[quote]   

I had a friend in an L-39 decide to use his "Extra Option" one day. Airplane  was fresh out of annual. Forgot to lock the front radio bay, it came open as he  rotated, the suit case opened everything went into the intake. At 50' he decided  aha! I have a seat, goodie. He punched out AFTER the airplane rolled 90 degrees,  at 50'. He died what I can only imagine was a very painful death. Not because  the seat didn't work, but because he was untrained in ejection technique, was  untrained as to the limits of what the seat can do and he forgot the one and  only memory item on any check list you have. There is only one thing you need to  memorize, "FLY THE AIRPLANE". You see, in front of him was over 2000' more  runway and a nice grass over run. I'd say he had a false sense of security  having a Hot Seat. You can't leave the aircraft unattended, you can't show it to  people, My first year at Oskosh with mine, I had 75 photos taken with kids in  the front seat. That was the best time I've had with my jet. Sharing it with  others. I wouldn't let them near a hot seat, whether it was pinned or not. Shit  happens! If it was the Mig 21 that requires hydraulics to fly, that may be  different. But this is a mechanical airplane. 

Like I said, it stalls at 72 and lands on dirt at 90. You need a seat  because????? I'll bet the airplane you learned to do aerobatics in didn't have a  hot seat? 

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ca6209(at)flash.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: ejection seat stats

I make a few Fly-INS and also have a line of kids in both seats for pictures. Great day for them and their parents. As I fly in and out of a 3300’ grass strip I would always ride the 29 to a stop. If you eject (and live) you don’t have a plane to fly tomorrow.  

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From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of czech6(at)kellin.net

 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:42 PM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

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I had a friend in an L-39 decide to use his "Extra Option" one day. Airplane was fresh out of annual. Forgot to lock the front radio bay, it came open as he rotated, the suit case opened everything went into the intake. At 50' he decided aha! I have a seat, goodie. He punched out AFTER the airplane rolled 90 degrees, at 50'. He died what I can only imagine was a very painful death. Not because the seat didn't work, but because he was untrained in ejection technique, was untrained as to the limits of what the seat can do and he forgot the one and only memory item on any check list you have. There is only one thing you need to memorize, "FLY THE AIRPLANE". You see, in front of him was over 2000' more runway and a nice grass over run. I'd say he had a false sense of security having a Hot Seat. You can't leave the aircraft unattended, you can't show it to people, My first year at Oskosh with mine, I had 75 photos taken with kids in the front seat. That was the best time I've had with my jet. Sharing it with others. I wouldn't let them near a hot seat, whether it was pinned or not. Shit happens! If it was the Mig 21 that requires hydraulics to fly, that may be different. But this is a mechanical airplane.  

Like I said, it stalls at 72 and lands on dirt at 90. You need a seat because????? I'll bet the airplane you learned to do aerobatics in didn't have a hot seat?  

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SD737(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: ejection seat stats

Most of the time the material on this forum is basically "junk email",  and it's not very often that there is a WELL written opinion on this  forum. 

  

 Bill's opinion in this case is straight forward, to the point and SO  true!

  

 I see a hot seat of the vintage we are talking about as more of a hazard  and liability than anything else.

  

 Chances are it's gonna kill you if you use it, so might as well do the most  important thing as Bill mentioned. FLY THE AIRPLANE!

  

 Last year a guy overhead Stead Airport in Reno, Nevada was doing aerobatics  in a Skybolt and the wing failed/rippped off the airplane.  He did not have  an ejection seat and was faced with a cripled structually damaged aircraft that  was uncontrollable.  He scrambled out of the aircraft and deployed his  parachute and floated safely to the ground.

  

 Of course airliners don't have ejection seats, but what is POUNDED into us  in training is 

 Silence the Warning and then

  

 1. FLY THE AIRPLANE    

 2. FLY THE AIRPLANE

 3. FLY THE AIRPLANE

 4. FLY THE AIRPLANE

 5. FLY THE AIRPLANE



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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:24 am Post subject: ejection seat stats

Agree with all comments re hot seats.  Agree best to fly it if problem.  Actually done this with deadstick in the circuit.(failed fuel pump/regulator) 2 years ago.  

   

BUT  

   

Still extra option to use in worst case scenario (airframe failure, engine failure whilst flying over mountains, control failure).  

   

I sincerely hope never to use it.  

   

Anyone else ever had a deadstick?  

   

         

  

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 Sent: 13 September 2007 06:34 AM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: ejection seat stats  

  

     

Most of the time the material on this forum is basically "junk email", and it's not very often that there is a WELL written opinion on this forum.   

    

   

    

Bill's opinion in this case is straight forward, to the point and SO true!  

    

   

    

I see a hot seat of the vintage we are talking about as more of a hazard and liability than anything else.  

    

   

    

Chances are it's gonna kill you if you use it, so might as well do the most important thing as Bill mentioned. FLY THE AIRPLANE!  

    

   

    

Last year a guy overhead Stead Airport in Reno, Nevada was doing aerobatics in a Skybolt and the wing failed/rippped off the airplane.  He did not have an ejection seat and was faced with a cripled structually damaged aircraft that was uncontrollable.  He scrambled out of the aircraft and deployed his parachute and floated safely to the ground.  

    

   

    

Of course airliners don't have ejection seats, but what is POUNDED into us in training is   

    

Silence the Warning and then  

    

   

    

1. FLY THE AIRPLANE      

    

2. FLY THE AIRPLANE  

    

3. FLY THE AIRPLANE  

    

4. FLY THE AIRPLANE  

    

5. FLY THE AIRPLANE  

  



 

         

  

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czech6(at)kellin.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: ejection seat stats

Not on purpose. Vipers don't have issues!!! (I  hope)

  

 I thought I had Dave Cannavo's E mail. I  don't.

 I put a call into him. Should have it this after  noon.

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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: ejection seat stats

Hi Bill, thanks!  

         

  

From: owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill

 Sent: 14 September 2007 04:35 PM

 To: l29-list(at)matronics.com

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Not on purpose. Vipers don't have issues!!! (I hope)  

    

   

    

I thought I had Dave Cannavo's E mail. I don't.  

    

I put a call into him. Should have it this after noon.  

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