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Carl

Joined: 04 May 2007
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Location: Aiken, SC

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: CH Stick grips

[img]cid:image001.jpg(at)01C7EEEC.C1F85B40[/img]Does anyone have experience with the CH stick grips, I like their weight and ambidextrous design, but since I need to have quality for switch control also, I thought I would ask for experience. Thx cj

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Carl Bell
Building N947CB
RV 7A

daverv6a(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: CH Stick grips

Hi Carl,

  

 I have them in my 6A. They have worked well so far, I like the feel, and were fairly easy to wire. They have them set up for pilot and passenger sticks, make sure you get the correct one. I have one of each. I have it set up :- trigger - ppt; front - flip flop ( you need to watch this one, have changed channel without realizing it) - coolie hat Elev & Ail trim and Top two - auto pilot engage & disengage. 

  

 Regards,

 Dave Burnham



 

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williamc(at)RV9Builder.co
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: CH Stick grips

CJ  

   

I’m currently using these grips in my aircraft but only have ~10 hrs TT at this point.  I have had no problems or issues so far.  Since these are gamer joysticks I assume that the contacts are rated for many-many operations.  That is as long as you don’t try to run excessive current through them.  

 Good Luck  

   

Bill  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:12 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: CH Stick grips  

  

   

Does anyone have experience with the CH stick grips, I like their weight and ambidextrous design, but since I need to have quality for switch control also, I thought I would ask for experience. Thx cj  

   

   

   

   

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Carl

Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 44
Location: Aiken, SC

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: CH Stick grips

Thx Bill, I plan to order them, did you shorten your sticks to get down to Vans original height?  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Cary

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:05 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: CH Stick grips  

  

   

CJ  

   

I’m currently using these grips in my aircraft but only have ~10 hrs TT at this point.  I have had no problems or issues so far.  Since these are gamer joysticks I assume that the contacts are rated for many-many operations.  That is as long as you don’t try to run excessive current through them.  

 Good Luck  

   

Bill  

         

  

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 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:12 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: CH Stick grips  

  

   

Does anyone have experience with the CH stick grips, I like their weight and ambidextrous design, but since I need to have quality for switch control also, I thought I would ask for experience. Thx cj  

   

   

   

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: CH Stick grips

CJ  

   

Yes, I shortened them so that the hand would rest at about the same height if using a simple rubber grip.  I may shorten another 1” but plan on waiting until I get more flying time in.  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell

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Thx Bill, I plan to order them, did you shorten your sticks to get down to Vans original height?  

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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

My grips are at the standard height but I have thought many times I would like to shorten them.  When I flew with Mike Seager a year and a half ago he was pretty insistent that my hand was all the way up on the grip for landing and takeoff.  I have kept that advice even today.  I fly normally however with my hand much lower as it is more comfortable.  

   

All the way up at the standard Van’s height however still seems pretty high.  I am wondering what advice anyone has for how much it could be shortened without jeopardizing control stability for landing.  An inch? Two?  

   

Tim  

           

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Cary

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:07 PM

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 Subject: RE: CH Stick grips  

  

   

CJ  

   

Yes, I shortened them so that the hand would rest at about the same height if using a simple rubber grip.  I may shorten another 1” but plan on waiting until I get more flying time in.  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM

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 Subject: RE: CH Stick grips  

  

   

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

Tim, 

  

 I cut my sticks - don't remember how many inches - I have attached a photograph.  I measured to make sure the grip didn't hit the panel and cut it there - I have the extended panel so it is a little lower than the standard one.  

  

 I generally fly with only thumb and 2 fingers, never a problem with control.

  

 Dave 

 

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My grips are at the standard height but I have thought many times I would like to shorten them.  When I flew with Mike Seager a year and a half ago he was pretty insistent that my hand was all the way up on the grip for landing and takeoff.  I have kept that advice even today.  I fly normally however with my hand much lower as it is more comfortable.  

  

All the way up at the standard Van's height however still seems pretty high.  I am wondering what advice anyone has for how much it could be shortened without jeopardizing control stability for landing.  An inch? Two?  

  

Tim 

      

 

From:  owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)]  On Behalf Of Bill Cary

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:07 PM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: RE: CH Stick grips

 

  

CJ 

  

Yes, I shortened them so that the hand would rest at about the same height if using a simple rubber grip.  I may shorten another 1" but plan on waiting until I get more flying time in.  

     

 

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n616tb(at)btsapps.com
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

Hi Dave,  

   

Nice panel!  What is the glass clear over on the passenger side?  

I fly with only my thumb and 2 fingers also except for take off and landing.  At that point I move my hand completely up onto the stick as I was taught by Mike.  It would seem to me that control would be easy enough obtained even if I cut a couple inches off but wanted to bounce it off of others.

 Thanks for you input  

Tim    

           

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Burnham

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:46 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: CH Stick grips  

  

     

Tim,   

    

   

    

I cut my sticks - don't remember how many inches - I have attached a photograph.  I measured to make sure the grip didn't hit the panel and cut it there - I have the extended panel so it is a little lower than the standard one.   

    

   

    

I generally fly with only thumb and 2 fingers, never a problem with control.  

    

   

    

Dave 

    

    

On 9/4/07, Tim Bryan <n616tb(at)btsapps.com (n616tb(at)btsapps.com)> wrote:       

My grips are at the standard height but I have thought many times I would like to shorten them.  When I flew with Mike Seager a year and a half ago he was pretty insistent that my hand was all the way up on the grip for landing and takeoff.  I have kept that advice even today.  I fly normally however with my hand much lower as it is more comfortable.   

   

All the way up at the standard Van's height however still seems pretty high.  I am wondering what advice anyone has for how much it could be shortened without jeopardizing control stability for landing.  An inch? Two?   

   

Tim  

           

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bill Cary

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:07 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: CH Stick grips  

  

   

CJ  

   

Yes, I shortened them so that the hand would rest at about the same height if using a simple rubber grip.  I may shorten another 1" but plan on waiting until I get more flying time in.   

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Carl Bell

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: CH Stick grips  

  

   

Thx Bill, I plan to order them, did you shorten your sticks to get down to Vans original height?   

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

Hi Tim 

  

 Advanced Flight Systems - engine monitor - Just amazing piece of engineering.

  

 http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/

 

 Regards,

 Dave

 

 On 9/4/07, Tim Bryan <n616tb(at)btsapps.com (n616tb(at)btsapps.com)> wrote: [quote]   

Hi Dave, 

  

Nice panel!  What is the glass clear over on the passenger side? 

I fly with only my thumb and 2 fingers also except for take off and landing.  At that point I move my hand completely up onto the stick as I was taught by Mike.  It would seem to me that control would be easy enough obtained even if I cut a couple inches off but wanted to bounce it off of others. 

Thanks for you input 

Tim   

      

 

From:  owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)]  On Behalf Of David Burnham

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:46 PM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: CH Stick grips

  

   

Tim, 

  

 

  

I cut my sticks - don't remember how many inches - I have attached a photograph.  I measured to make sure the grip didn't hit the panel and cut it there - I have the extended panel so it is a little lower than the standard one.  

  

 

  

I generally fly with only thumb and 2 fingers, never a problem with control.

  

 

  

Dave 

 

  

On 9/4/07, Tim Bryan < n616tb(at)btsapps.com (n616tb(at)btsapps.com)> wrote:    

My grips are at the standard height but I have thought many times I would like to shorten them.  When I flew with Mike Seager a year and a half ago he was pretty insistent that my hand was all the way up on the grip for landing and takeoff.  I have kept that advice even today.  I fly normally however with my hand much lower as it is more comfortable.   

  

All the way up at the standard Van's height however still seems pretty high.  I am wondering what advice anyone has for how much it could be shortened without jeopardizing control stability for landing.  An inch? Two?   

  

Tim 

      

 

From:  owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)]  On Behalf Of Bill Cary

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:07 PM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: RE: CH Stick grips

 

  

CJ 

  

Yes, I shortened them so that the hand would rest at about the same height if using a simple rubber grip.  I may shorten another 1" but plan on waiting until I get more flying time in.   

     

 

From:  owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)]  On Behalf Of Carl Bell

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM

To:  rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: RE: CH Stick grips

 

  

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

I fly with my hand resting on my leg.  This  places the PTT switch at the 

 top of the handle too high. I don't move my hand  higher for take-off or landing.

 Bottom line is that my stick could be even shorter  than it is.

  

 Ron Lee

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retasker(at)optonline.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

I don't yet have flying experience with the sticks, although I do have 

two in my almost completed RV9A.  The following email was posted in Nov 

of 2004 regarding research I did on the switches used in the sticks.



Previous email:



There has been discussions about the CH Products control sticks (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/aircraft.html) on the newsgroups lately.  I have two of them, but there was a question about what the switch ratings were.  I contacted Kevin Williamson of CH Products and he was kind enough to supply me with a set of sample switches (from Omron) and the part numbers thereof.



I downloaded the complete data sheet from the web, reviewed the specifications and then called the Omron factory representative.  There are a few minor errors in the datasheet available on the web, so the rep emailed me the revised (corrected) sheets.  I also discussed with him the specifications listed and got clarification, although it turned out that when I received the revised data sheets, the specification is very clear now.



The bottom line is that the electrical rating for all three different switches is: 1-50mA, at 5-24V.



The explanation for the ratings is:



1. The lower values (1 mA at 5V) are to make sure that the switch sees enough energy when switching to keep the contacts clean.  Any lower values would not guarantee that the contacts will always make proper contact over the life of the switch.  If for some reason the load being switched is too low, a resistor could be added in parallel with the load to increase the current to at least 1 mA.



2. The higher values (50 mA at 24V) are the maximum values that should be switched that will not damage the switch.  Switching any higher loads will risk damaging the contacts - either welding them shut or warping them or causing excessive arc damage - and will certainly shorten the life of the switch.



3. These ratings are for a resistive load, so if they are to be used with a relay or motor the contacts MUST be protected with a diode or other type of snubber network!



Of course, the manufacturer always has a margin in the design so if one chooses to switch 55mA at 14V (for instance), the switch will probably still have a reasonable life.  However, pushing them to 100 mA or more will definitely shorten the life and may result in a catastrophic failure at some point.



These switches are rated for a lot of actuations so their use in an airplane should be no problem.  The hat switches are rated for 300,000 operations (minimum), the switches on the top face of the stick are rated for 100,000 operations (minimum) and the trigger (typically used for push-to-talk) is rated for 1,000,000 operations (minimum).



To put these numbers in perspective, let's assume you make one flight every day for ten years.  For each flight you could use the hat switch to trim the airplane 82 times in each direction, you could actuate the flaps (assuming that is what you use the two gray switches on the top of the stick for) 27 times each up and down and you could push-to-talk 274 times.



I am satisfied that the switches used are as robust as you will find and the ratings are adequate for the task.  Just don't go overboard on what you connect direct to the switches and your CH Products control stick will have a long and happy life!



Dick Tasker



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Carl Bell wrote:



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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: CH Stick grips

I'm a total newbie to the list but hope to build a 9A in a couple years.

 Regarding the control stick - would it be feasible to machine the stick in such a way as it can be telescoped out (and locked) for take off and landing but collapsed during regular flight?

  

 Tom

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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

Just curious why you'd want to do this?



Carlos

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Tom Pritchard wrote:

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		   I'm a total newbie to the list but hope to build a 9A in a couple years.

 Regarding the control stick - would it be feasible to machine the 

 stick in such a way as it can be telescoped out (and locked) for take 

 off and landing but collapsed during regular flight?

  

 Tom



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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

Everyone is different, and in that respect, I find any type of stick 

grip unusable, even when I am using a flight simulator on the 

computer.  I find that I can not get fine precise movement when I put 

my entire hand on the stick grip.  Same with the airplane.



I learned how to fly a sensitive aircraft from an F-4 pilot when he 

told me that in cruise he rested his forearm on his thigh and used 

the tip of this index finger and thumb to fly the aircraft.  I find 

that works well with my RV.  But for aerobatics, I have my full fist 

on the top of the stick.  And sometimes I use both hands on the 

stick, not because of the stick forces, but for more precise control 

when doing large control deflections.



Some people may be making more out of this stick grip thing than is 

necessary.  I know before I flew my airplane I wanted to install 

them, but after flying for a few years, I can not imagine how I could 

possible use them.  I do use both my left and right hand to fly the 

aircraft and as I recall the stick grips are mostly right or left handed.



Bob

RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"

At 02:54 PM 9/7/07, you wrote:

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		  I'm a total newbie to the list but hope to build a 9A in a couple years.

Regarding the control stick - would it be feasible to machine the 

stick in such a way as it can be telescoped out (and locked) for 

take off and landing but collapsed during regular flight?

ChickenHawk

Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Posts: 2
Location: Clarksville, TN

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: CH Stick grips

 	  carlosh(at)sec-engr.com wrote: 	
		  Just curious why you'd want to do this?



Carlos

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Carlos,

Just showing my ignorance. I have never flown an RV. I have flown a Diamond Katana which has a very light touch on the stick. I noticed a message earlier that recommended that one keep ones hands high on the stick during take offs and landings. My assumption (always a big risk) is that this is improve leverage and refine the movements on the stick. I too prefer to set my hands low on the stick with arm resting on my leg. My thought was that a telescoping stick might provide both requirements, although I admit it makes the system more complicated.



Since I haven't flown an RV and my RV of choice will probably be the 9A, this may be totally unnecessary.



Tom



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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: CH Stick grips

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		  > Just showing my ignorance. I have never flown an RV. I have flown a 

> Diamond Katana which has a very light touch on the stick. I noticed a 

> message earlier that recommended that one keep ones hands high on the 

> stick during take offs and landings. My assumption (always a big risk) is 

> that this is improve leverage and refine the movements on the stick. I 

> too prefer to set my hands low on the stick with arm resting on my leg. 

> My thought was that a telescoping stick might provide both requirements, 

> although I admit it makes the system more complicated.


	


I fly with my hand resting on my thigh and my fingers below the top of the 

stick.



I have no need to hold my hand higher and my landings are usually good.



I would fly an RV then forget about this idea.



Ron Lee

ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: CH Stick grips

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		   I fly with my hand resting on my thigh and my fingers below the top of the 

 stick.



 I have no need to hold my hand higher and my landings are usually good.



 Ron Lee


	


Here is a response to my landing assertion:



" Mr. Lee,



This e-mail is in response to your braggadocio that your landings are 

usually good,

as appeared in a recent RV list posting.  I have flown with you enough to 

know that

your passengers' kissing the ground upon every landing is not a reflection 

on your

expertise at greasing a landing.  Indeed, I think it is closer to the truth 

to think that

it is more a testament to the design of the RV that it takes that licking 

time and time

again and still rolls in a straight line.  Please confine your remarks to 

the same zip

code as the truth and do not attempt to confuse the RV public with your 

mendacity.

R"



Personally, I get the impression that this anonymous person is making fun of 

my

wonderful landing.  I suspect that he is rather full of himself since he 

uses big words

like "medacity."



Ron Lee

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