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 Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection |
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Hi All
I am in the process of getting my Firestar KXP certified and my DAR hasa told me that I need to have an alternate path arround my fuel filter so I can buypass if needed. I have seen this for the Primer bulb but not for the fuel filter. Does anyone have this in their fuel system? He also siad I needed an ELT but I found in the regs I do not for a single seat.
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Jeff Nelson
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Jim ODay
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection |
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Jeff:
I don't get it - bypass the fuel filter? That is odd.
I have a FS II and I have a E-LSA certificate for it, got in August. My inspection of the plane was simple.
The guy inspecting mine from the FSDO told me it was my "job to certify that it is airworthy" and his "job to verify the paperwork". He also told me "his" instructions were to do a "walk around" the aircraft, he was not going to go over it with a close inspection, that was the purpose of the "condition inspection" that I furnished.
I don't even think he looked at the fuel system. If he had, he would have seen a water drain with a screen plus a fuel filter, both installed in the main fuel line.
There were no mirrors or flashlights used or things removed for inspection; just a walk around the plane. He verified all systems were labeled, looked at my panel instruments, asked a couple of question about it like "was this a kit?"
The W&B was discussed and how I did it. That was not a big deal either.
We finished the paperwork and log book endorsements (by me) and I got the Pink Slip and it was all done. It all was systematic and professional.
Good luck Jeff.
Jim
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herbgh
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection |
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Hi Jeff
Pretty close to needing a new DAR! Herb
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:18:23 -0500 Jeff Nelson <jenelson1(at)hotmail.com (jenelson1(at)hotmail.com)> writes:
[quote] Hi All
I am in the process of getting my Firestar KXP certified and my DAR hasa told me that I need to have an alternate path arround my fuel filter so I can buypass if needed. I have seen this for the Primer bulb but not for the fuel filter. Does anyone have this in their fuel system? He also siad I needed an ELT but I found in the regs I do not for a single seat.
Thank You
Jeff Nelson
KXP N1655E
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection |
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Jeff, My experience with the DAR was exactly as Jim described it, but this was for E-LSA.
We had the local FAA MIDO inspectors at our last EAA chapter meeting. As they described it, an E-LSA inspection is a paperwork exercise. Check the paper work and check the placarding and your good to go.
An E-AB inspection IS a cowling off inspection of all aircraft systems to check as best is possible in three to four hours how your aircraft is constructed. Expect to be nit picked during this inspection.
IF you are getting an E-LSA inspection, call the FAA Light Sport Branch and get a clarification for your DAR.
Like Jim, I've never heard of a fuel filter bypass.
Get yourself a copy of AC43-13 1b and 2a "Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices Aircraft Inspection, Repair & Alterations. Go to Chapter 8 Section 2. Fuel Systems Paragraph 8-36 "Fuel Filters, Strainers, and Drains" and make him show you the requirement for a fuel filter bypass. Hint, it ain't there.
Rick
On 9/25/07, Jim ODay <jimoday(at)hotmail.com (jimoday(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim ODay" <jimoday(at)hotmail.com (jimoday(at)hotmail.com)>
Jeff:
I don't get it - bypass the fuel filter? That is odd.
I have a FS II and I have a E-LSA certificate for it, got in August. My inspection of the plane was simple.
The guy inspecting mine from the FSDO told me it was my "job to certify that it is airworthy" and his "job to verify the paperwork". He also told me "his" instructions were to do a "walk around" the aircraft, he was not going to go over it with a close inspection, that was the purpose of the "condition inspection" that I furnished.
I don't even think he looked at the fuel system. If he had, he would have seen a water drain with a screen plus a fuel filter, both installed in the main fuel line.
There were no mirrors or flashlights used or things removed for inspection; just a walk around the plane. He verified all systems were labeled, looked at my panel instruments, asked a couple of question about it like "was this a kit?"
The W&B was discussed and how I did it. That was not a big deal either.
We finished the paperwork and log book endorsements (by me) and I got the Pink Slip and it was all done. It all was systematic and professional.
Good luck Jeff.
Jim
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection |
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I have been involved in the inspection of 3 E-LSA aircraft; one fixed wing
(Hornet) and two weight shift; all by the same DAR. They have belonged to
friends but I was involved before the inspection and was there during the
inspection.
What I have seen indicates there is no standardization in the inspections,
and few absolutes as to what one needs or doesn't need. Even the same DAR
will tell you different things on different days (does it require
fuses/circuit breakers or not?).
I think the best if not only solution is to contact the DAR doing the
inspection well beforehand and ensure you know what he will be looking
for. If there is something he mentions that you don't have and don't want
to do, ask him if it's a recommendation or a mandate. There is only 1 DAR
in the entire Pacific NW so there really isn't an option of going
elsewhere.
On the last inspection the DAR said that paper fuel filters can become
completely blocked by water and recommended the use of filters without
paper, but he did not require a bypass. On the last inspection of 2
trikes, 1 had a bypass around the primer bulb and the other did not.
He also checked for locknuts on everything with at least 1 thread sticking
out, green/yellow/red limit markings on instruments, all switches labeled
for function and which way was on/off, quantity and type of all fluids,
weight/loading/balance, aircraft/engine/prop logbooks, passenger warning
placard, Experimental placard. Also seatbelts (shoulder harness not
req'd).
One thing of note he said after the first inspection was that an owner
could put himself back in Phase 1 (test). For example, the max gross on
the Hornet with a Rotax 503 would not allow a passenger over 100 pounds.
The owner could put the Hornet back in Phase 1 with a logbook entry
stating he upped the GW to XXXX pounds (+100 pounds), then fly some time
at the new max GW, make appropriate logbook entries, then log back into
phase 2 at the new GW. For Amateur built Experimentals, that requires a
trip to the FAA GADO office (twice).
Jim
N. Idaho
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Thom Riddle
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection |
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Jeff,
I've never seen a fuel filter bypass on any of the following:
Standard Category Type Certificated aircraft.
Experimental A/B aircraft.
E-LSA aircraft.
S-LSA aircraft.
More importantly, I've never seen a fuel filter bypass requirement or recommendation in 43.13 nor in any other FAA documentation or regulations.
Your research results showing the ELT is NOT REQUIRED for single seat aircraft is correct and you probably ought to gently point this out the inspector, unless you want an ELT. In any case, this DAR needs a bit of remedial training on the regs. Of course he has the power to deny your A/W certificate so how you handle it is up to you. Ain't politics wonderful?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection |
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Jim, Yes, you did state you were getting an E-LSA inspection, my browser doesn't show titles in the reply box and I missed it. Here's one thing to ask your DAR, which function code is he certificated to perform. Below are the three that pertain to us as Kolb owners, although Code 48 won't apply until Kolb brings out its Special Light Sport Aircraft. Perhaps your DAR doesn't have function code 47 and is relying on his training under code 46 and treating you as if your aircraft were an E-AB.
If you have any questions, contact the FAA Light Sport Branch and let them know of the problems you are having. Time is getting short for E-LSA registration and the last thing they need is some well meaning guy making up requirements on the fly.
Rick
(12) Code 46 — Issue original/recurrent special airworthiness certificates,
experimental, for the purpose of operating United States (U.S.)-registered amateur-built aircraft.
(See FAA Order 8130.33 .)
(13) Code 47 — Issue recurrent/original and replacement special airworthiness
certificates, experimental, for the purposes of operating U.S.-registered light-sport aircraft.
(Reference Order 8130.33.)
8100.8C 5/04/2007
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(14) Code 48 — Issue recurrent/original and replacement special airworthiness
certificates for U.S.-registered light-sport category aircraft and special flight permits for
production flight-test operations. (Reference Order 8130.33.)
On 9/25/07, Jim Dunn <jim(at)tru-cast.com (jim(at)tru-cast.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Dunn" <jim(at)tru-cast.com (jim(at)tru-cast.com)>
I have been involved in the inspection of 3 E-LSA aircraft; one fixed wing
(Hornet) and two weight shift; all by the same DAR. They have belonged to
friends but I was involved before the inspection and was there during the
inspection.
What I have seen indicates there is no standardization in the inspections,
and few absolutes as to what one needs or doesn't need. Even the same DAR
will tell you different things on different days (does it require
fuses/circuit breakers or not?).
I think the best if not only solution is to contact the DAR doing the
inspection well beforehand and ensure you know what he will be looking
for. If there is something he mentions that you don't have and don't want
to do, ask him if it's a recommendation or a mandate. There is only 1 DAR
in the entire Pacific NW so there really isn't an option of going
elsewhere.
On the last inspection the DAR said that paper fuel filters can become
completely blocked by water and recommended the use of filters without
paper, but he did not require a bypass. On the last inspection of 2
trikes, 1 had a bypass around the primer bulb and the other did not.
He also checked for locknuts on everything with at least 1 thread sticking
out, green/yellow/red limit markings on instruments, all switches labeled
for function and which way was on/off, quantity and type of all fluids,
weight/loading/balance, aircraft/engine/prop logbooks, passenger warning
placard, Experimental placard. Also seatbelts (shoulder harness not
req'd).
One thing of note he said after the first inspection was that an owner
could put himself back in Phase 1 (test). For example, the max gross on
the Hornet with a Rotax 503 would not allow a passenger over 100 pounds.
The owner could put the Hornet back in Phase 1 with a logbook entry
stating he upped the GW to XXXX pounds (+100 pounds), then fly some time
at the new max GW, make appropriate logbook entries, then log back into
phase 2 at the new GW. For Amateur built Experimentals, that requires a
trip to the FAA GADO office (twice).
Jim
N. Idaho
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