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a58r(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

In the Fall of 1903, my late father was taking a class in physics at  

Indiana University. The professor was at the blackboard explaining/ 

proving that a heavier-than-air machine cannot fly. When I was taking  

flying lessons in '40, Dad used to warn me that what I was doing was  

impossible!



regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Careful, Bob, you're dating yourself.                     Lar.



P.S.  Angelfire is about 70 miles up the road from Santa Fe.  Ever been 

there ??

Bob Noyer wrote:

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 In the Fall of 1903, my late father was taking a class in physics at 

 Indiana University. The professor was at the blackboard 

 explaining/proving that a heavier-than-air machine cannot fly. When I 

 was taking flying lessons in '40, Dad used to warn me that what I was 

 doing was impossible!



 regards,

 Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

 http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



 do not archive

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Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Hi Lar,

How are you. You have been very quiet lately.  I was only saying to Wendy 

yesterday that you hadn`t been very active on the list..



We were showing some friends some of the pics which you took at Monument 

Valley and around Santa Fe.  They  may be coming to the Santa Fe area next 

year.

How are things at work. They running you ragged?



cheers



Pat

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

 	  a58r(at)verizon.net wrote: 	
		  In the Fall of 1903, my late father was taking a class in physics at  

Indiana University. The professor was at the blackboard explaining/ 

proving that a heavier-than-air machine cannot fly. When I was taking  

flying lessons in '40, Dad used to warn me that what I was doing was  

impossible!



	




I remember reading an article in an old 1930's issue of FLYING magazine, where some physicist was explaining why due to the massive amounts of power required, that flying faster than the speed of sound would be impossible.  



Mike

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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Location: Southern California

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Yes, Yes and the people that wrote the Bible also insisted that the World was flat and that the Sun and planets orbited around the Earth.



Here is the first clue:  "Impossible"   .... "I'm Possible"....!!!!!



Boundaries exist for the bold and questioning types to break through and disprove.



Also...never listen to people that have NOT gone up against the boundary in person and can not speak from their own experience as they know not what they speak of.

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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

> Yes, Yes and the people that wrote the Bible also insisted that the World was flat and that the Sun and planets orbited around the Earth.

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		   Also...never listen to people that have NOT gone up against the boundary in person and can not speak from their own experience as they know not what they speak of.


	


  

 Hey, you can save us a step! Take your own advise and don't talk about things you haven't gone up against in person! 

 Since you didn't speak to the writers of the Bible in person and you don't know Greek or Hebrew and you apparently don't know God then you should�shut your trap. 

  

 If you dont want to take your advise take mine, keep religion out of it.

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beauford173(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

This here is downright profound....  sure you got the right List, Ray....? 



Beauford

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p.s.   Gotta throw the flag on this one because of content... will not add 

to the Grand VG Challenge tally...

b.


Yes, Yes and the people that wrote the Bible also insisted that the World 

was flat and that the Sun and planets orbited around the Earth.

Here is the first clue:  "Impossible"   .... "I'm Possible"....!!!!!

Boundaries exist for the bold and questioning types to break through and 

disprove.

Also...never listen to people that have NOT gone up against the boundary in 

person and can not speak from their own experience as they know not what 

they speak of.--------

Ray

Riverside County, CA



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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Ray Ol' Buddy, who has been blowing fairy dust up your skirt? Where do you 

get this stuff?



The Bible says the world is flat? Au contraire, Isaiah 40:22 says that God 

is above the circle of the earth. Or in other words, the earth appears as an 

orb.



In Job 26:7, it says that God hangs the earth upon nothing, and in Job 

26:10, it says that the boundary between light and darkness forms a circle 

or an arc across the face of the planet. Which is obviously not apparent 

unless the Earth is being viewed from space, and accurately described from 

that vantage point...



Never confuse what some curmudgeon says about the Bible, with what it 

actually says. It didn't work for the Pharisees, and it still doesn't.



Now can we go back to arguing over Seafoam and VG's instead of embarrassing 

ourselves?



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

Pastor, Blountville Community Chapel



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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Location: Southern California

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Ooops sorry folks.....should have left religion out of it.



Not bashing religion.....just meant to illustrate that most things are possible... 



Ouch!



Even our prop tips can break the sound barrier...I wonder if they never experienced that before the sound barrier was actually broken by an aircraft?



Probably something they just did not recognize at the time.

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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Ray, if you've ever heard a T-6 take off you've heard a prop tip going supersonic. I'm told the TU-95 Bear does the same and the racket from 8 props and 32 prop tips is amazing. 

And then there's the story that a pilot at Muroc in an F-86 nosed over into a dive and a shallow boom was heard in the valley below on or about October 10, 1947. Even if it happened, Yeager was the first guy to do it in level flight, so he gets the credit. 



Rick



On 10/8/07, jb92563 <jb92563(at)yahoo.com (jb92563(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "jb92563" <jb92563(at)yahoo.com (jb92563(at)yahoo.com)>



Ooops sorry folks.....should have left religion out of it.



Not bashing religion.....just meant to illustrate that most things are possible... 



Ouch!



Even our prop tips can break the sound barrier...I wonder if they never experienced that before the sound barrier was actually broken by an aircraft?



Probably something they just did not recognize at the time. 



--------

Ray

Riverside County, CA



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

The Bible says the world is flat? Au contraire, Isaiah 40:22 says that God

is above the circle of the earth. Or in other words, the earth appears as an

orb.>>



Hi,

I dont want to start a religious war but this  rather pointless exchange 

reminded me of  the story of a well known astronomer who, after giving  a 

lecture about the creation of the earth was accosted by a lady who said " 

You are quite wrong you know. The Earth is supported on the back of an 

elephant which is standing on a turtle"

"Oh really," replied the astonomer, humouring the old lady "In that case 

what is the turtle standing on.".  "Oh you can`t catch me out like that " 

said the lady "Its just turtles, all the way down"



Cheers



Pat  (Every body look on the bright side of life..de dah..de dah...)

Richard Pike

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Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

And this rather pointless missive reminds me of Proverbs 26:5.

Which is why I wrote my previous post.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Good one, Pat. I thought this VG topic was becoming a religion, glad there's some humor in it, too. And lest any of Ye smiteth me, I do know how to use the delete key and do quite often. Pat generally puts a nice Brit spin, like the Monty Python reference, on things. 

Turtles, all the way down. Great.



Rick



On 10/9/07, pat ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com (pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:  	  Quote: 	
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The Bible says the world is flat? Au contraire, Isaiah 40:22 says that God

is above the circle of the earth. Or in other words, the earth appears as an

orb.>>



Hi,

 I dont want to start a religious war but this  rather pointless exchange

reminded me of  the story of a well known astronomer who, after giving  a

lecture about the creation of the earth was accosted by a lady who said " 

You are quite wrong you know. The Earth is supported on the back of an

elephant which is standing on a turtle"

"Oh really," replied the astonomer, humouring the old lady "In that case

what is the turtle standing on.".  "Oh you can`t catch me out like that " 



	


-- 

Rick Girard

"Ya'll drop on in"

takes on a whole new meaning

when you live at the airport.  [quote][b]

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

I'm not going to go look it up, but I'm betting that it's: even a fool is thought wise, if he remains silent. One I break all too frequently.



Rick



On 10/9/07,  Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>



And this rather pointless missive reminds me of Proverbs 26:5.

Which is why I wrote my previous post. 



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Hey,I'm trying real hard to remain silent,,,,,,,,,,,,, but when you find the bible reference for that one� ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, send it to Reverend� Pike.� 



On Oct 9, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Richard Girard wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I'm not going to go look it up, but I'm betting that it's: even a fool is thought wise, if he remains silent. One I break all too frequently.



Rick 	




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herbgh

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Somehow I think back to the interview of the little old lady down in  Mississippi , back in the 1950's , during a rash of UFO spottings...The reporter  asked how she knew it was a UFO; to which she replied....why sonny!  it had  UFo written on the side of it!!!   Herb 

  

  

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 On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:08:50 -0400 Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com (ez(at)embarqmail.com)> writes:

 [quote]   Hey,

   I'm trying real hard to remain silent,,,,,,,,,,,,, but when you find the    bible reference for that one  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, send it to Reverend�    Pike.     

   

      On Oct 9, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Richard Girard wrote:

    	  Quote: 	
		  I'm      not going to go look it up, but I'm betting that it's: even a fool is      thought wise, if he remains silent. One I break all too      frequently.



Rick



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Gene Z and other participants in this  conversation:

  

 Well, you all could take this conversation back  copy.  

  

 I think you have enough participants to start a new email  List.

  

 Seems to have drifted away for Kolb aircraft.  For  that matter, has even drifted away for VG's and as far East as Great  Brittain.

  

 Would like to emphasize I am posting this one with  kindness in my heart, trying to be as gentle as I can not to hurt anyones  feelings or stir up a sh_t storm.

  

 Thanks for being considerate to the remaining couple  hundred other Kolb Listers,

  

 john h

 mkIII

  

 PS:  I know.  I have a delete key, but should  not have to use it this often.

  

  

 [quote]    I'm trying real hard to remain    silent,,,,,,,,,,,,, but when you find the bible reference for that one     ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, send it to Reverend  Pike.  

       



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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Hi Pat.   I've kinda gotten out of the habit of the List lately.  Very 

busy at work with new owners, re-modeling, the end of the fiscal year on 

Oct 1, and not out of the woods yet.



How about you ??  Is the weather still good enuf for the cottage ??  

Hope so, that looks like a nice way to spend a weekend.



I've been more active lately on the weekends and have been doing quite a 

bit of climbing and hiking.  Take a look at my new blog at:   

www.gogittum.com/blog   New Mexico is a great place to 

live.                          Lar.



pat ladd wrote:

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 Hi Lar,

 How are you. You have been very quiet lately.  I was only saying to 

 Wendy yesterday that you hadn`t been very active on the list..



 We were showing some friends some of the pics which you took at 

 Monument Valley and around Santa Fe.  They  may be coming to the Santa 

 Fe area next year.

 How are things at work. They running you ragged?



 cheers



 Pat

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Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

Hi Lar,

looked up your blog. you are really enjoying yourself. I think if I ever had 

the urge to climb some of the stuff you have been tackling I should go and 

lie down until the urge passes.



Nice to be reminded of Santa Fe and how much we enjoyed being with you last 

year after MV. Espececially reminded by some of the Indian jewelery. Those 

girls selling the wares in the main square really know their stuff.. I 

showed one of them a silver belt buckle with a nice stone and a bear claw 

which I had bought in a small town up near Durango and she told me what mine 

the stone had come from. She about confirmed all the things which the owner 

of the store had told me about the buckle during his sales pitch..



We have had quite a nice Indian Summer and we went to our cottage at 

Appledore last weekend. Spring tides and the estuary was full and there was 

some catamaran racing going on. As they tack just below our garden wall it 

is quite exciting.

Wendy and I bought each other electric bicyles for our birthdays in August. 

They fold and we took them to the cottage with us as there isa disused 

railway line which has been paved for the use of  walkers and cyclists. Of 

course it is level and makes for good cycling. The track runs aong the side 

of the estuary with lots of water birds, egrets, duck, stoneturns, dunlin 

etc.

The bikes are good. If you dont pedal then you get no help from the motor so 

there is some exercise involved. There are six gears and maximum legal speed 

is 18 mph. The battery lasts about 20 miles or so depending on how much 

effort you put in and that is as long as  I intend to sit on a bicycle 

saddle anyway.

I managed to fall off during a test ride. The bike has 16" wheels and I ran 

off the edge of a concrete drive onto the dirt road and lost my balance. 

This raised a lump on my shin about as big as a hens egg and turned my legs 

technicolor and I was  a bit shook up. Added to that I had a professional 

company come to weigh the Kolb  and I put my back out lifting the tail to 

put the scales under. That put me more or less out of action for a week.

Still it was an interesting exercise as the guy who weighed the plane was 

weighing the Vulcan, a big bat winged bomber designed to carry an atom bomb 

only the day before. This is the bomber with which we bombed Port Stanley 

airfield in the Falklands. The Vulcan was due to be scrapped about 2 weeks 

after the Falklands show started. If the Argies had left it 6 months later 

we would have had no planes able to reach  them. A bunch of volunteers is 

trying to get one of them back into flying order. A hell of a tall order but 

with luck they hope to have her on the show circuit next summer.



Keep in touch



Pat. (love from Wendy)

Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 365

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented

In a message dated 10/9/2007 10:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  biglar(at)gogittum.com writes:

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		  www.gogittum.com/blog   	


 

 Really Good Stuff, Thanks for sharing.

 Old Guys Rule   

 Steve

Firefly 007/Floats

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