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Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: Degradattion

This list started (way before me) as a great way to exchange info

about like kind airplanes. It has degradted into a forum for people

who like to hear them self type. I for one have had enough. I thought

it would be enough to just filter by sunbject and author, but it has

become apparent that this list lacks any substance whatsoever worthy

of any attention at all.



I feel sorry for the new CJ/Yak owners out there who joined this list

to LEARN about their aircraft only to be bombasted by the tirades of a

few selfish indiividuals who are more concerned about winning an

argument over the overall charter of this list which is to provide a

source of information to owners of Yaks and CJ type airplanes.

Megabytes of disk space have been wasted by the selfish few who insist

on planting their view of the world upon the rest of us.



Brian, I suggest you resign from RPA, Its obviously not for you. While

you;re at it get off this list, you're pretty much ruined for me. You

dont even own a Red star airplane, go somewhere else.



If anyone agrees that this should be an upbeat forum about our

airplanes, I want to see a show of hands,......If you want to see more

of this worthless banter then let us know. As far as I'm concerned I'm

sick of this shit!



Ernie

haavard-iversen(at)c2i.ne
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Degradattion

Totally agree with you, I joined last week to maybe have some inputs. The 

first day I was bombed with 300 mails!

Daily I receive 50-80 mails. That´s no fun and no use....



Håvard N. Iversen

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2020 skedsmokorset

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e-mail: haavard-iversen(at)c2i.net



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Valkyre1(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: Degradattion

Having a bad day Ernie? I'm sorry. Does anyone else see the irony in this? laughed myself silly. - Val

johnhilterman1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: Degradattion

Excellent post Ernie, agree with you 100%.



Hitman



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wlannon(at)cablerocket.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Degradattion

Ernie;



I also agree with you though not exactly 100 %. (Probably about 98.5%). I 

think the majority of your comments are right on the money and I 

congratulate you on having the balls to tell it like it is.



With regard to your comments on Brian I have to disagree. He does have a CJ6 

and I find Brian's technical knowledge a great contribution to the list. I 

do wish however that he would learn to "stuff a sock in it" when politics 

rear their ugly head.



Walt

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fougapilot(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Degradattion

Ernie,



I agree. I must admit that when I joined the list, I would read 80% of the 

posts. Now, I delete 99% of them based on subjects and authors. Frankly, it 

has come to a point where I find little use for it anymore.



Dan

[quote]From: "John W. Hilterman Jr." <johnhilterman1(at)cox.net>

Reply-To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Degradattion

Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:41:44 -0600




<johnhilterman1(at)cox.net>



Excellent post Ernie, agree with you 100%.



Hitman



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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: Degradattion

Ernest Martinez wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Brian, I suggest you resign from RPA, Its obviously not for you. 


	


Perhaps you are right. But I am paid up for the year so what the heck.



 	  Quote: 	
		   While

 you;re at it get off this list, you're pretty much ruined for me. You

 dont even own a Red star airplane, go somewhere else.


	


Uh, I own a CJ6A. I am contemplating the purchase of a Yak-52. I thought

they were Red Star airplanes. But perhaps not.



I also started this list. I like it here.



 	  Quote: 	
		   If anyone agrees that this should be an upbeat forum about our

 airplanes, I want to see a show of hands,......If you want to see more

 of this worthless banter then let us know. As far as I'm concerned I'm

 sick of this shit!


	


So am I Ernie. When all I want to do is fly and share with others of

like mind, along comes someone or something that says, "you can't do

that." Annoying as hell that is. It is usually the FAA but occasionally

it comes from another angle, like the RPA.



I get a fair bit of "I agree with you" email from other RPA members so

my point of view is not universally disagreed with. But there are a lot

of people happy with, "that's the way we did it in the military so that

is the way we are going to make people do it here," too. It is a

difference of opinion. I just happen to be pretty vociferous about

voicing my opinion.



But you are free to talk about what you want to talk about here. Go for it.



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Brian Lloyd                         361 Catterline Way

brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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Brian Lloyd
brian-yak at lloyd dot com
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Frank

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 69

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Degradattion

Brian

With all due respect you should not debate Ernie.....



There's an old saying that says "Do not argue with a fool as people may not

be able to tell the difference".

HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Degradattion

Ernie,



Well said....



This is has become the Jerry Springer Show for airplanes. It is embarassing to see some of the exchanges on here. I thought we were all adults...guess not. 



Lets get back to some useful discussion. 



Tim

brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: Degradattion

Frank Haertlein wrote:

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 Brian

 With all due respect you should not debate Ernie.....

 

 There's an old saying that says "Do not argue with a fool as people may not

 be able to tell the difference".


	


Thanks Frank. The point is, he has a point. I was violating my own rules

about allowing people to do what they want to do so long as it doesn't

interfere with anyone else. I *was* trying to push my own view.



But enough about this. I do appreciate your support even though you and

I don't seem to see eye-to-eye on the immigrant issue. I think it is

time for a beer and a rousing knock-down-drag-out argument (not on this

list), don't you?  



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Brian Lloyd                         361 Catterline Way

brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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