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PMorel
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 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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I read from the Kitfox site the "Bill of Sale" regulations posted by John. It says "If you purchased your kit from another builder you will need to have that person complete an AC8050-2" Does anyone know if that form is required even if the kit was never registered?
Paul Morel
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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if the plane was never registered then you wont need it. That is the only form FAA will accept for "changes" to the registration. At least this is what the local office in Anchorage told me when I purchased mine.
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Tom Jones
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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Paul, I think you do need the bill of sale for the kit to register it for the first time. I had to get one from from the old skystar...I was lucky they were still around at that time. Of corse government employees...I was one...all interpret the rules their own way.
Be sure to send a copy of the letter and form John Mcbean has posted on the Kitfox LLC website along with your paperwork.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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Yes it is.. the FAA wants a paperwork trail from the original purchaser to the current owner…
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I read from the Kitfox site the "Bill of Sale" regulations posted by John. It says "If you purchased your kit from another builder you will need to have that person complete an AC8050-2" Does anyone know if that form is required even if the kit was never registered?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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When you apply for registration on the plane, I believe you will need this form. AC 8050-2
And also when you apply for registration you choose between Experimental-Home Built or Experimental - Light Sport Aircraft. Once you get it registered you cannot change this.
Also the deadline for getting an E-LSA certified is January 31, 2008. And if the plane is not yet registered your chances of getting it certified before that date are slim to none unless they extend that date.
As an Experimental - Home Built you must prove 51% was Home Built. And I have read they are going to be more diligent on this with all the companies out there that will assist (build) your plane
I have just certified an E-LSA through an FAA FSDO and they said they are overwhelmed with applications
for E-LSA certification already.
IF YOU HAVE A REGISTERED "E-LSA" IT MUST BE CERTIFIED BEFORE JANUARY 31, 2008 OR IT WILL BE PARTS AFTER THAT.
Mark
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912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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josandt(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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I keep hearing this. What does it mean "deadline 1/31/08"? No more E-LSA aircraft after that date? That would be stupid, as well as arbitrary and capricious. What does it mean? Why would they do that? Does it just mean 'up for review'? John, ridgecrest, ca (land of fruits and nuts)
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wingnut
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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| Quote: | | I keep hearing this. What does it mean "deadline 1/31/08"? No more E-LSA aircraft after that date? That would be stupid, as well as arbitrary and capricious. What does it mean? Why would they do that? Does it just mean 'up for review'? John, ridgecrest, ca (land of fruits and nuts) |
I understood that the deadline applied to all those non conforming ultralights that the FAA used to not care about. They're all supposed to convert to ELSA before the deadline or things get... complicated for them.
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PMorel
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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After giving this more thought......Since the kit by Denny Aircraft with a
serial number assigned to it was sold to the original purchaser, wouldn't it
then qualify to be a traceable aircraft and require the FAA form?
Paul Morel
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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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Others may respond but the 1/31/2008 dead line is for the transfer of "heavy" ultralites approved for ultralite training to be registered as light sport. After that date they go into some sort of ill-defined but not legal status.
John Kerr
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From: "wingnut" <wingnut(at)spamarrest.com>
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> I keep hearing this. What does it mean "deadline 1/31/08"? No more E-LSA
aircraft after that date? That would be stupid, as well as arbitrary and
capricious. What does it mean? Why would they do that? Does it just mean 'up for
review'? John, ridgecrest, ca (land of fruits and nuts)
I understood that the deadline applied to all those non conforming ultralights
that the FAA used to not care about. They're all supposed to convert to ELSA
before the deadline or things get... complicated for them.
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Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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I think the Jan deadline is for "fat" UL that want to register. I don't think it also includes a plane that has not yet flown. Check your local FSDO
You may also want to consider there are several restrictions on flying LSA that are not in the Home Built category. Of course you will need a PPL for the homebuilt. Some consider that a restriction too.
Noel
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Scotty(at)dembones.net
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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Just wondering? If you register as an experimental but still fit the limits of a LSA can’t you still fly it with a LSA liscence?
If so what is the advantage to registering it as a LSA?
Scott
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
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Subject: RE: Aircraft Bill of Sale
I think the Jan deadline is for "fat" UL that want to register. I don't think it also includes a plane that has not yet flown. Check your local FSDO
You may also want to consider there are several restrictions on flying LSA that are not in the Home Built category. Of course you will need a PPL for the homebuilt. Some consider that a restriction too.
Noel
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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:41 AM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Aircraft Bill of Sale
When you apply for registration on the plane, I believe you will need this form. AC 8050-2
And also when you apply for registration you choose between Experimental-Home Built or Experimental - Light Sport Aircraft. Once you get it registered you cannot change this.
Also the deadline for getting an E-LSA certified is January 31, 2008. And if the plane is not yet registered your chances of getting it certified before that date are slim to none unless they extend that date.
As an Experimental - Home Built you must prove 51% was Home Built. And I have read they are going to be more diligent on this with all the companies out there that will assist (build) your plane
I have just certified an E-LSA through an FAA FSDO and they said they are overwhelmed with applications
for E-LSA certification already.
IF YOU HAVE A REGISTERED "E-LSA" IT MUST BE CERTIFIED BEFORE JANUARY 31, 2008 OR IT WILL BE PARTS AFTER THAT.
Mark
Kitfox 5 Vixen
912UL IVO
Hartford, Wisconsin
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Aircraft Bill of Sale |
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you will need a BILL of Sale or invoice from Kitfox to register your aircraft.
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