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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: engine out

I've heard some of the horror stories of the dreaded 7-engine approach. 

Our men and women in uniform truly are the bravest!



Dan Farmer wrote:

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		   Bill H.

  

 You think a 747 is tough with one shut down you should try to take on 

 a B52 with only seven engines left---just death defying:-)

  

 Tylor, thanks for the heads up on the phot of 69U,  use it all you like.

  

 dan

  

  



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dongirod

Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 140

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: engine out

I knew a 105 driver who called in 'Bingo Fuel' and was vectored in behind a

B-52 making the dreaded 7 engine approach.  He wasn't very happy, but he

made it, so made for a happy ending.



Bill H., that wasn't you that had the "first class drain problem" was it?



Don



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: engine out

Never heard of Bingo Fuel. To avoid reminding everyone that I am an asshole,

I looked it up before asking and found this interesting article.



http://www.ac-119gunships.com/stories/story7.htm



Thanks



Nico



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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: engine out

We were down to five engines on the B-47 one night. Scared me to death and I am darn near fearless. You just have to remember it is rudder, rudder, rudder.  

Jim A  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer

 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:10 PM

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Bill H.  

    

   

    

You think a 747 is tough with one shut down you should try to take on a B52 with only seven engines left---just death defying:-)  

    

   

    

Tylor, thanks for the heads up on the phot of 69U,  use it all you like.  

    

   

    

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dongirod

Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 140

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: engine out

Never heard of Bingo Fuel.



Nico;



Bingo fuel just gets you to the head of the pack, kind of like declaring an

emergency.  I did have a medical emergency once and was quite impressed at

the handling.  My instructions were: "Maintain 10K, speed at your

discretion, call descent for landing" they gave me the T/O runway for

landing, just stopped departures until I was clear of the runway.  Really

worked out great, and I hope the guy with the heart attack appreciated it.



Many years ago, a friend flying an RB-66 was running on fumes and cut Air

Force One out of the pattern with LBJ on board. ( single runway, think it

was Lajes or Bermuda)  Needless to say, they were met on the ground and the

tanks  manually 'stuck' to check the fuel.  Was less fuel on board than even

they thought they had, but Mr. Johnson was quite upset he had to go around.

Isn't ego wonderful?  I've along with several other carriers have had to

hold until Air Force One finished taxiing and was parked, they completely

shut down the airport, (makes me glad they normally use military airports)

all in the name of security and I don't think they have ever had a security

breech from an American carrier, at least not until 9-11 if you count that

as a security breech.



Don

tfisher(at)commandergroup
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: engine out

In our search and rescue operations we use the term "Bingo fuel" to define 

the TIME we have to leave the furthest point of the search area that we had 

been assign to in order to be on the ground with the appropriate fuel 

reserves.



Tom F.

680FLP (Mr.RPM)



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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: engine out

Good story Nico.



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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: engine out

Don-



When I was based out of DC- we interacted with them quite a bit in the same

airspace.  The pilots are just as good a bunch as the rest of us once in the

air.  It's the admin Air Force types and the security admins you gotta watch

out for.  They are so worried about their jobs they don't bother to think in

terms of real world consequences....



Take for example the ADIZ.  Now *there* is a process that was invented by

chair warmers and bears no resemblance to reality.



Rob





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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: engine out

Good Morning All,

  

 Think of Bingo fuel this way. You are down at the lodge playing Bingo. What  happens when somebody calls Bingo?

  

 Everyone else pushes back and waits to see what happens. It is not an  emergency, but special consideration is given to he/she who calls Bingo!

  

 Same deal!

  

 Happy  Skies,



Old Bob

AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West  86th Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

630 985-8502 

Stearman  N3977A

Brookeridge Air Park LL22

  

  In a message dated 1/11/2008 11:15:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,  jtaddington(at)verizon.net writes:

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Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. 

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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: Re: engine out

Nico,



I didn't know you were an asshole. Sorry but you are gonna have to do something to prove it.



Do not archive

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Milt

rgilliamii(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: engine out

Nico,

   

  This is off subject, but are you interested in making 2---3 dozen coffee cups with my airfield name and cordinates on them??

   

  Thanks,

   

  Roland Gilliam



nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" 



Never heard of Bingo Fuel. To avoid reminding everyone that I am an asshole,

I looked it up before asking and found this interesting article.



http://www.ac-119gunships.com/stories/story7.htm



Thanks



Nico



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dongirod

Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 140

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: engine out

Don-



 When I was based out of DC- we interacted with them quite a bit in the same

 airspace.  The pilots are just as good a bunch as the rest of us once in

the

 air.  It's the admin Air Force types and the security admins you gotta

watch

 out for.  They are so worried about their jobs they don't bother to think

in

 terms of real world consequences....



 Take for example the ADIZ.  Now *there* is a process that was invented by

 chair warmers and bears no resemblance to reality.



 Rob



 Rob;



I totally agree, most pilots are pretty nice guys, often better when we take

them out of their uniforms and we can all be just "Pilots", doing what we

love to do.



The ADIZ is the main reason I don't fly my Commander up to see 'Honey' in

the Mt. Vernon area, just too much of a hassel in the DC area.  And for what

purpose?  The media makes such a big deal out of it when someone violates

the restricted area, but never a word is heard when it is the use of the

pilot's 'emergency authority' such as weather and allows the pilot to

violate any rules, but does require 3 letters within 72 hours.  Course you

may get shot at by some over jealous police or security force.  Does make

you wonder what ever happened to common sense.  But that also is a two way

street, can't imagine flying in the area without either radio contact or at

least maintenaining a radio listening guard,.



Don

rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: engine out

Don-



You ever try going into KRMN?  It sits a few miles outside the ADIZ- has a

full ILS to RW33 and is staffed by the greatest line crew on the planet.



If/When we move back to the DC area that is where we'll be home-basing the

birds...



Robert S. Randazzo



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: engine out

Sure, Roland. Why don't you send me the graphics you want  on them and I will quote you a price, if that's OK with you. The graphics matter  because it involves the number of colors, which again affects the process.  

  

 Thanks

 Nico

  

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland  Gilliam

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:44 AM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: engine  out

 

 Nico,

  

 This is off subject, but are you interested in making 2---3 dozen coffee  cups with my airfield name and cordinates on them??

  

 Thanks,

  

 Roland Gilliam



nico css  <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> wrote:

 [quote]-->    Commander-List message posted by: "nico css"    



Never heard of Bingo Fuel. To avoid    reminding everyone that I am an asshole,

I looked it up before asking and    found this interesting    article.



http://www.ac-119gunships.com/stories/story7.htm



Thanks



Nico



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From:    owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]    On Behalf Of Don

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:31 PM

To:    commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: engine    out



--> Commander-List message posted by: "Don"    



I knew a 105 driver who called in 'Bingo Fuel'    and was vectored in behind a

B-52 making the dreaded 7 engine approach. He    wasn't very happy, but he

made it, so made for a happy ending.



Bill    H., that wasn't you that had the "first class drain problem" was    it?



Don



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: engine out

Hehehe. You wouldn't mind if I put proving that on the back-burner at this

time, would you. 

Thanks

Nico

 



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wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.c
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: engine out

Don,

 No, not me, I retired at 60, a couple of years ago, the idea of continuing on domestic (we have never has an age 60 rule) didn't turn me on.

 Sink blockages have always been a problem with our -744s, this time all the holes in James Reasons's Swiss cheese lined up. At least 5 other -744 have also been found to have cracked drip trays.

 Cheers,

 Bill Hamilton



 

  

 At 13:31 12/01/2008, you wrote:

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 I knew a 105 driver who called in 'Bingo Fuel' and was vectored in behind a

 B-52 making the dreaded 7 engine approach.  He wasn't very happy, but he

 made it, so made for a happy ending.



 Bill H., that wasn't you that had the "first class drain problem" was it?



 Don 	




 



 



 



 



 

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