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 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Retractable gear |
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Any plans for a retractable gear Lightning?
--- Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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Charles,
Not a problem. It might be worth at least
arranging fuel as we guarantee that it'll be there
and can even tell you a rate before hand. Also if
we have your schedule and you need or want to add
services other than fuel then we'd be on the same
page. Flight planning, other than permits and
customs is pretty easy, but weather can be kind of
tricky out there. We've got a lot of experienced
people and are a 24/7 365 day company. One thing
that we did the other day was arrange for a group of
150 passengers to be transported from Raleigh to
Charleston after Spirit Airlines had to divert due
to weather. We arranged for ground transport within
an hour for that many people at 2am in the morning.
We found a bus company that had an after hours
number and got a couple of buses and the guy called
all his friends to bring personal SUV's. That's
just an example of how having a team of people that
know how to think outside the box. It really does
benefit when traveling international and outside the
familiar comfort zone. Brian W.> Date: Sun, 13 Jan
2008 21:21:29 -0800> From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Lightning gas
tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To:
lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List
message posted by: Charles Dewey
<cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> > Brian, Thanks for hte tip;
I'll file tghis email away> until I need it.
Charles> --- Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
wrote:> > > > > Charles,> > I've had a lot of
friends flying around the> > Caribbean and
Netherland Antilles and never heard of> > anybody
being greated with machine guns. I'm not> > saying
that it has never happened, just not> > regularly.
Costa Rica is a very poor place though. > > I work
at a company that does International Trip> >
Support, mostly for private and charter aircraft. >
> If you're really worried about it contact one of>
> these guys and do a fuel and or ground handling
only> > request. I work for Baseops International,
which is> > owned by World Fuel and owns Avcard. I
talk to St.> > Thomas on a nearly daily basis. When
I was in> > college we'd fly way out in the Bahama
islands and> > never had problems to where we had to
bribe or> > anything. What we did run into is
maintenance> > issues. Blow out a tire on a Cessna
on landing,> > gotta fly another one in to replace
it. I know that> > it would not be legal in the US
to bring in your own> > auto fuel unless the airport
specifically authorized> > it in their official
airport rules (has a different> > name but forget it
now) Being international it> > might be just fine to
bring auto fuel though. Use> > your best judgement
but I'd about fill some jugs,> > fuel when nobody is
looking and go for it! As far> > as $5 for avgas on
islands, where do you live at? > > It's right at
that here in TX! When flying around> > Central
America and the Caribbean islands you also> > have
to watch out for permits. Maybe that's why> > some
of the horror stories are from. You have> > landing
permits, overflight permits, customs, etc. > >
Overflight of Cuba doesn't mean over the land or> >
even off the coast like what it is in the US. > >
Panama has a wide spread ADIZ which extends many> >
times the size of the entire country. My company> >
can arrange all of this, plus contract fuel if> >
you're interested. See:> >>
http://www.wfscorp.com/wfscorp/services/aviation_fp.html>
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| Quote: | > and see here: http://www.baseops.com/ You can do>
> all your flight planning and set up your own
stuff,> > but run the risk of violating airspaces
and such. > > We can track you when you're in the
air and arrange> > services to accomodate
accordingly. With our huge> > databases and personal
contacts it is quicker and> > easier than if you
were to do it. One of the guys> > that I work with
has some friends that are run a> > ground handling
supervisory company in that part of> > the world and
makes it easier to set up and arrange> > than an
individual. We also keep monthly Cuba> > overflight
permissions on file for those that can't> > wait.
Just a thought, do your homework, lock your> >
plane, and fly safe. Brian W. > Date: Sun, 13 Jan> >
2008 20:27:40 -0800> From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> >
Subject: RE: Lightning gas tanks///>
> extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To:> >
lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List>
> message posted by: Charles Dewey> >
<cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> > Anyone out there ever> >
flown from Fl. deep into the> Caribbean? Trying to>
> do some research and get> prepared. Some threads
say> > that be prepared to pay> lots of bribes and
$5 avgas> > , even if you're just> stopping for
fuel, plus big $> > like 45$ fee for> bringing the
fuel truck to your> > plane. Dominican> Republic is
said to be bad; they> > will greet you with a>
machine gun and an extended> > hand. Does anyone
remember> the name of the> > collapsible fuel tank
they had (at) Sun n> Fun 1 or 2> > years ago. It
greatly extended range;> thought that> > it would be
a good idea to avoid landing> too much> > enroute to
St. Thomas. If I remember> correctly, it> > could be
stored in the cabin and had a> line that> > somehow
went to your gas tank. Also, anyone> know of> > a
way to get more fuel creatively? I guess I'm> too> >
late to get the Xtra capacity tanks from arion now>>
> that my plane is done. The good thing about the>>
> Lightning is b/c it taked 93 super auto gas, it> >
should> be easy to get on any island. I've read> >
horror stories> of people landing on an island only>
> to find out the> avgas won't arrive for a week.
Are> > airports that> sell avgas allowing of people
to haul> > in a 20 gallon> jug of auto gas- or is
that> > something not frowned upon> at airports?
Charles> >> > > > > --- Brian Whittingham
<dashvii(at)hotmail.com>> > wrote:> > > > > I agree! I
would've loved to have> > been able to do> > that
kind of a thing with my dad> > when I was young. > >
I remember several times> > working on tractors,> >
combines, and cotton pickers> > back in the day
with> > him when I was young and> > loved that. I
still would> > really love to build a> > plane. > >
> > On the previous topic about the> > Odyssey and
the> > Dynon. I know the Dynon that we> > had in
the> > prototype would get lost if turing one> > way
and then> > whipping it the other way. It was> >
like an> > electronic version of a gyro tumbling.> >
I've also> > heard of that particular version> >
getting lost in> > turbulence. Not knocking Dynon
as> > I've only had> > experience with that one
model. I> > believe the> > reasoning was that it
only had a dual> > axis solid> > state gyro where
the GR had a 3 axis.> > I have no> > idea about the
Odyssey and what it's> > capable of. I> > know that
the GR stuff had all of> > the same listed> >
usability and programibility as> > far as I can
recall.> > One added benefit of using> > that
equipment is also> > that the Arion folks know> >
that system and can help> > troubleshoot or can get>
> it replaced easily. Just a> > few little thoughts
on> > panel layout. Brian W.> > > > > > From:> >
N1BZRich(at)aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008> > 22:44:52>
> -0500Subject: Re: Lightning-List:> > StartedTo:> >
lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > In a
message> > dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern> >
Standard> > Time, cjk129(at)cox.net writes:> > However,
with a> > wife, three kids, a dog and a full> > time
job, my> > ambition is to fly in spring 2009. > > >
> Great,> > Colin. I hope it becomes a family
project so> > that> > they feel they are part of the
process. Don't> >> > know how old your kids are, but
even at a young age>> > > they can do some things
like hand you tools. And>> > > this spring of 2009
is certainly a realistic> > goal.> > Buz> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> Start the year off right.> > Easy ways to stay in
shape> > in the new year. > > >> > > > > > >>> >>
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dashvii(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: Retractable gear |
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Charles,
Nope, look at the current industry trends, Cirrus, Lancair, new Cessnas are all going to fixed gear, reason being, insurance. The Arion team is interested in a quick, affordable plane, and that would drive insurance up a lot. Also look at what you gain. Diamond aircraft figured that they would gain somewhere around 2 knots I believe it was from the one with wheelpants. So you don't gain much speed, a little on looks, but I think you hit the point of diminishing returns there. Brian W.
| Quote: | Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:11:29 -0800
From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Retractable gear
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
--> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Any plans for a retractable gear Lightning?
--- Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Charles,
> Not a problem. It might be worth at least
> arranging fuel as we guarantee that it'll be there
> and can even tell you a rate before hand. Also if
> we have your schedule and you need or want to add
> services other than fuel then we'd be on the same
> page. Flight planning, other than permits and
> customs is pretty easy, but weather can be kind of
> tricky out there. We've got a lot of experienced
> people and are a 24/7 365 day company. One thing
> that we did the other day was arrange for a group of
> 150 passengers to be transported from Raleigh to
> Charleston after Spirit Airlines had to divert due
> to weather. We arranged for ground transport within
> an hour for that many people at 2am in the morning.
> We found a bus company that had an after hours
> number and got a couple of buses and the guy called
> all his friends to bring personal SUV's. That's
> just an example of how having a team of people that
> know how to think outside the box. It really does
> benefit when traveling international and outside the
> familiar comfort zone. Brian W.> Date: Sun, 13 Jan
> 2008 21:21:29 -0800> From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: Lightning gas
> tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To:
> lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List
> message posted by: Charles Dewey
> <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> > Brian, Thanks for hte tip;
> I'll file tghis email away> until I need it.
> Charles> --- Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
> wrote:> > > > > Charles,> > I've had a lot of
> friends flying around the> > Caribbean and
> Netherland Antilles and never heard of> > anybody
> being greated with machine guns. I'm not> > saying
> that it has never happened, just not> > regularly.
> Costa Rica is a very poor place though. > > I work
> at a company that does International Trip> >
> Support, mostly for private and charter aircraft. >
> > If you're really worried about it contact one of>
> > these guys and do a fuel and or ground handling
> only> > request. I work for Baseops International,
> which is> > owned by World Fuel and owns Avcard. I
> talk to St.> > Thomas on a nearly daily basis. When
> I was in> > college we'd fly way out in the Bahama
> islands and> > never had problems to where we had to
> bribe or> > anything. What we did run into is
> maintenance> > issues. Blow out a tire on a Cessna
> on landing,> > gotta fly another one in to replace
> it. I know that> > it would not be legal in the US
> to bring in your own> > auto fuel unless the airport
> specifically authorized> > it in their official
> airport rules (has a different> > name but forget it
> now) Being international it> > might be just fine to
> bring auto fuel though. Use> > your best judgement
> but I'd about fill some jugs,> > fuel when nobody is
> looking and go for it! As far> > as $5 for avgas on
> islands, where do you live at? > > It's right at
> that here in TX! When flying around> > Central
> America and the Caribbean islands you also> > have
> to watch out for permits. Maybe that's why> > some
> of the horror stories are from. You have> > landing
> permits, overflight permits, customs, etc. > >
> Overflight of Cuba doesn't mean over the land or> >
> even off the coast like what it is in the US. > >
> Panama has a wide spread ADIZ which extends many> >
> times the size of the entire country. My company> >
> can arrange all of this, plus contract fuel if> >
> you're interested. See:> >>
>
http://www.wfscorp.com/wfscorp/services/aviation_fp.html>
> > and see here: http://www.baseops.com/ You can do>
> > all your flight planning and set up your own
> stuff,> > but run the risk of violating airspaces
> and such. > > We can track you when you're in the
> air and arrange> > services to accomodate
> accordingly. With our huge> > databases and personal
> contacts it is quicker and> > easier than if you
> were to do it. One of the guys> > that I work with
> has some friends that are run a> > ground handling
> supervisory company in that part of> > the world and
> makes it easier to set up and arrange> > than an
> individual. We also keep monthly Cuba> > overflight
> permissions on file for those that can't> > wait.
> Just a thought, do your homework, lock your> >
> plane, and fly safe. Brian W. > Date: Sun, 13 Jan> >
> 2008 20:27:40 -0800> From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> >
> Subject: RE: Lightning gas tanks///>
> > extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To:> >
> lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List>
> > message posted by: Charles Dewey> >
> <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> > Anyone out there ever> >
> flown from Fl. deep into the> Caribbean? Trying to>
> > do some research and get> prepared. Some threads
> say> > that be prepared to pay> lots of bribes and
> $5 avgas> > , even if you're just> stopping for
> fuel, plus big $> > like 45$ fee for> bringing the
> fuel truck to your> > plane. Dominican> Republic is
> said to be bad; they> > will greet you with a>
> machine gun and an extended> > hand. Does anyone
> remember> the name of the> > collapsible fuel tank
> they had (at) Sun n> Fun 1 or 2> > years ago. It
> greatly extended range;> thought that> > it would be
> a good idea to avoid landing> too much> > enroute to
> St. Thomas. If I remember> correctly, it> > could be
> stored in the cabin and had a> line that> > somehow
> went to your gas tank. Also, anyone> know of> > a
> way to get more fuel creatively? I guess I'm> too> >
> late to get the Xtra capacity tanks from arion now>>
> > that my plane is done. The good thing about the>>
> > Lightning is b/c it taked 93 super auto gas, it> >
> should> be easy to get on any island. I've read> >
> horror stories> of people landing on an island only>
> > to find out the> avgas won't arrive for a week.
> Are> > airports that> sell avgas allowing of people
> to haul> > in a 20 gallon> jug of auto gas- or is
> that> > something not frowned upon> at airports?
> Charles> >> > > > > --- Brian Whittingham
> <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>> > wrote:> > > > > I agree! I
> would've loved to have> > been able to do> > that
> kind of a thing with my dad> > when I was young. > >
> I remember several times> > working on tractors,> >
> combines, and cotton pickers> > back in the day
> with> > him when I was young and> > loved that. I
> still would> > really love to build a> > plane. > >
> > > On the previous topic about the> > Odyssey and
> the> > Dynon. I know the Dynon that we> > had in
> the> > prototype would get lost if turing one> > way
> and then> > whipping it the other way. It was> >
> like an> > electronic version of a gyro tumbling.> >
> I've also> > heard of that particular version> >
> getting lost in> > turbulence. Not knocking Dynon
> as> > I've only had> > experience with that one
> model. I> > believe the> > reasoning was that it
> only had a dual> > axis solid> > state gyro where
> the GR had a 3 axis.> > I have no> > idea about the
> Odyssey and what it's> > capable of. I> > know that
> the GR stuff had all of> > the same listed> >
> usability and programibility as> > far as I can
> recall.> > One added benefit of using> > that
> equipment is also> > that the Arion folks know> >
> that system and can help> > troubleshoot or can get>
> > it replaced easily. Just a> > few little thoughts
> on> > panel layout. Brian W.> > > > > > From:> >
> N1BZRich(at)aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008> > 22:44:52>
> > -0500Subject: Re: Lightning-List:> > StartedTo:> >
> lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > In a
> message> > dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern> >
> Standard> > Time, cjk129(at)cox.net writes:> > However,
> with a> > wife, three kids, a dog and a full> > time
> job, my> > ambition is to fly in spring 2009. > > >
> > Great,> > Colin. I hope it becomes a family
> project so> > that> > they feel they are part of the
> process. Don't> >> > know how old your kids are, but
> even at a young age>> > > they can do some things
> like hand you tools. And>> > > this spring of 2009
> is certainly a realistic> > goal.> > Buz> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > Start the year off right.> > Easy ways to stay in
> shape> > in the new year. > > >> > > > > > >>> >>
>
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: Retractable gear |
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Let me add my $.02 to what Brian has said. Basically a retract gear Lightning would suffer in almost every aspect of ownership. Initial acquisition would be more (higher kit cost and increased time to build), operating cost would be more (Brian mentioned insurance, but being a more expensive airplane would also result in other increased cost such as higher taxes, etc), and maintenance cost and maintenance time would be much more. If an airplane has correctly designed fixed gear leg fairing and wheel pants (as the Lightning does), the increased cost, weight penalty and complexities of a retract system just do not justify the small speed increase that might be possible. I guess, what I am saying is I think the Arion guys hit a home run with the Lightning the way it is. It is aimed at a segment of the market where it really has no direct competition and it certainly does it mission profile efficiently while looking like a "million bucks". I really don't think there is a comparable airplane that does what the Lightning does and can be built in such a short time.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: Retractable gear |
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You won't see a retract version of the lightning. At least in its current configuration. I never close the door on further developments, however the current configuration of the lightning is what we intended it to be. A higher horsepower higher speed version would benefit well from this but that is not what we designed the lightning to do for now. Even from that stand point look at how well the legacey FG performs with a well faired fixed gear! doesnt make a very good argument for a retract does it....
nick
Charles Dewey <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]--> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey
Any plans for a retractable gear Lightning?
--- Brian Whittingham wrote:
| Quote: |
Charles,
Not a problem. It might be worth at least
arranging fuel as we guarantee that it'll be there
and can even tell you a rate before hand. Also if
we have your schedule and you need or want to add
services other than fuel then we'd be on the same
page. Flight planning, other than permits and
customs is pretty easy, but weather can be kind of
tricky out there. We've got a lot of experienced
people and are a 24/7 365 day company. One thing
that we did the other day was arrange for a group of
150 passengers to be transported from Raleigh to
Charleston after Spirit Airlines had to divert due
to weather. We arranged for ground transport within
an hour for that many people at 2am in the morning.
We found a bus company that had an after hours
number and got a couple of buses and the guy called
all his friends to bring personal SUV's. That's
just an example of how having a team of people that
know how to think outside the box. It really does
benefit when traveling international and outside the
familiar comfort zone. Brian W.> Date: Sun, 13 Jan
2008 21:21:29 -0800> From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Lightning gas
tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To:
lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List
message posted by: Charles Dewey
> > Brian, Thanks for hte tip;
I'll file tghis email away> until I need it.
Charles> --- Brian Whittingham
wrote:> > > > > Charles,> > I've had a lot of
friends flying around the> > Caribbean and
Netherland Antilles and never heard of> > anybody
being greated with machine guns. I'm not> > saying
that it has never happened, just not> > regularly.
Costa Rica is a very poor place though. > > I work
at a company that does International Trip> >
Support, mostly for private and charter aircraft. >
> If you're really worried about it contact one of>
> these guys and do a fuel and or ground handling
only> > request. I work for Baseops International,
which is> > owned by World Fuel and owns Avcard. I
talk to St.> > Thomas on a nearly daily basis. When
I was in> > college we'd fly way out in the Bahama
islands and> > never had problems to where we had to
bribe or> > anything. What we did run into is
maintenance> > issues. Blow out a tire on a Cessna
on landing,> > gotta fly another one in to replace
it. I know that> > it would not be legal in the US
to bring in your own> > auto fuel unless the airport
specifically authorized> > it in their official
airport rules (has a different> > name but forget it
now) Being international it> > might be just fine to
bring auto fuel though. Use> > your best judgement
but I'd about fill some jugs,> > fuel when nobody is
looking and go for it! As far> > as $5 for avgas on
islands, where do you live at? > > It's right at
that here in TX! When flying around> > Central
America and the Caribbean islands you also> > have
to watch out for permits. Maybe that's why> > some
of the horror stories are from. You have> > landing
permits, overflight permits, customs, etc. > >
Overflight of Cuba doesn't mean over the land or> >
even off the coast like what it is in the US. > >
Panama has a wide spread ADIZ which extends many> >
times the size of the entire country. My company> >
can arrange all of this, plus contract fuel if> >
you're interested. See:> >>
http://www.wfscorp.com/wfscorp/services/aviation_fp.html>
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| Quote: | > and see here: http://www.baseops.com/ You can do>
> all your flight planning and set up your own
stuff,> > but run the risk of violating airspaces
and such. > > We can track you when you're in the
air and arrange> > services to accomodate
accordingly. With our huge> > databases and personal
contacts it is quicker and> > easier than if you
were to do it. One of the guys> > that I work with
has some friends that are run a> > ground handling
supervisory company in that part of> > the world and
makes it easier to set up and arrange> > than an
individual. We also keep monthly Cuba> > overflight
permissions on file for those that can't> > wait.
Just a thought, do your homework, lock your> >
plane, and fly safe. Brian W. > Date: Sun, 13 Jan> >
2008 20:27:40 -0800> From: cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>> >
Subject: RE: Lightning gas tanks///>
> extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To:> >
lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List>
> message posted by: Charles Dewey> >
> > Anyone out there ever> >
flown from Fl. deep into the> Caribbean? Trying to>
> do some research and get> prepared. Some threads
say> > that be prepared to pay> lots of bribes and
$5 avgas> > , even if you're just> stopping for
fuel, plus big $> > like 45$ fee for> bringing the
fuel truck to your> > plane. Dominican> Republic is
said to be bad; they> > will greet you with a>
machine gun and an extended> > hand. Does anyone
remember> the name of the> > collapsible fuel tank
they had (at) Sun n> Fun 1 or 2> > years ago. It
greatly extended range;> thought that> > it would be
a good idea to avoid landing> too much> > enroute to
St. Thomas. If I remember> correctly, it> > could be
stored in the cabin and had a> line that> > somehow
went to your gas tank. Also, anyone> know of> > a
way to get more fuel creatively? I guess I'm> too> >
late to get the Xtra capacity tanks from arion now>>
> that my plane is done. The good thing about the>>
> Lightning is b/c it taked 93 super auto gas, it> >
should> be easy to get on any island. I've read> >
horror stories> of people landing on an island only>
> to find out the> avgas won't arrive for a week.
Are> > airports that> sell avgas allowing of people
to haul> > in a 20 gallon> jug of auto gas- or is
that> > something not frowned upon> at airports?
Charles> >> > > > > --- Brian Whittingham
> > wrote:> > > > > I agree! I
would've loved to have> > been able to do> > that
kind of a thing with my dad> > when I was young. > >
I remember several times> > working on tractors,> >
combines, and cotton pickers> > back in the day
with> > him when I was young and> > loved that. I
still would> > really love to build a> > plane. > >
> > On the previous topic about the> > Odyssey and
the> > Dynon. I know the Dynon that we> > had in
the> > prototype would get lost if turing one> > way
and then> > whipping it the other way. It was> >
like an> > electronic version of a gyro tumbling.> >
I've also> > heard of that particular version> >
getting lost in> > turbulence. Not knocking Dynon
as> > I've only had> > experience with that one
model. I> > believe the> > reasoning was that it
only had a dual> > axis solid> > state gyro where
the GR had a 3 axis.> > I have no> > idea about the
Odyssey and what it's> > capable of. I> > know that
the GR stuff had all of> > the same listed> >
usability and programibility as> > far as I can
recall.> > One added benefit of using> > that
equipment is also> > that the Arion folks know> >
that system and can help> > troubleshoot or can get>
> it replaced easily. Just a> > few little thoughts
on> > panel layout. Brian W.> > > > > > From:> >
N1BZRich(at)aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008> > 22:44:52>
> -0500Subject: Re: Lightning-List:> > StartedTo:> >
lightning-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > In a
message> > dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern> >
Standard> > Time, cjk129(at)cox.net writes:> > However,
with a> > wife, three kids, a dog and a full> > time
job, my> > ambition is to fly in spring 2009. > > >
> Great,> > Colin. I hope it becomes a family
project so> > that> > they feel they are part of the
process. Don't> >> > know how old your kids are, but
even at a young age>> > > they can do some things
like hand you tools. And>> > > this spring of 2009
is certainly a realistic> > goal.> > Buz> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> Start the year off right.> > Easy ways to stay in
shape> > in the new year. > > >> > > > > > >>> >>
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