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steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: IMC rating

A question please to the UK members. What role does the IMC rating play in 

your flying of your Europa? How many members/flyers have the rating and use 

it with their Europa? If you want to contact me off list I am happy to 

receive the feedback.

Reason for asking - I had an IMC several years ago and let it lapse. I am 

led to belive that I could use it again with my Europa but before setting 

out on retraining I thought I would garner practical experience.

Thank you

Steve Pitt

G-SMDH

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pete(at)lawless.info
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: IMC rating

Non what so ever, PFA Permit aeroplanes are VFR only.



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dpark748(at)hotmail.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: IMC rating

Practice VFR/VMC Day with a PPL observer!!

 Dave





   

 > From: pete(at)lawless.info

[quote] To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: IMC rating

 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:27:55 +0000

 

 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete(at)lawless.info>

 

 Non what so ever, PFA Permit aeroplanes are VFR only.

 

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rampil

Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 870

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Re: IMC rating

The more general observation is that the Europa is fine as an IFR

platform.  I hand flew from New York to Lakeland, FL for SnF 2005 totally

IFR, either under the hood or in IMC. I have roll trim in addition to pitch.

Did not feel the need for the autopilot at all.  This is in contrast to my

limited experience in RV 6-8s which are quite fun but more twitch I

think in pitch without an autopilot.

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aopd37(at)dsl.pipex.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: IMC rating

Question I have is this:



VFR flight does not require in sight of surface.



The vanilla UK PPL restricts pilots to 'Insight of Surface' in other 

words you cannot climb in VMC through a hole on top of cloud, remain 

above cloud out of sight of the surface and then come down through a 

hole in the cloud remaining VMC.



The IMC rating removes this restriction from the UK PPL Licence.



Therefore with no IMC a UK PPL is restricted at all time to insight of 

surface - correct?



AlanB

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Steve Pitt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.com>



 A question please to the UK members. What role does the IMC rating 

 play in your flying of your Europa? How many members/flyers have the 

 rating and use it with their Europa? If you want to contact me off 

 list I am happy to receive the feedback.

 Reason for asking - I had an IMC several years ago and let it lapse. I 

 am led to belive that I could use it again with my Europa but before 

 setting out on retraining I thought I would garner practical experience.

 Thank you

 Steve Pitt

 G-SMDH

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robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: IMC rating

Yes. That's how it stands currently. The words have subtly changed over the 

years but the rule no is:

 No IMC rating:                   Then remain in sight of the ground at all 

times



Remember  that to exercise the privileges of the rating you must be in a 

suitably equipped and approved aircraft. Have the appropriate kit in my 

Europa and the IMC rating, however as the aircraft is on a LAA Permit  it 

disqualifies itself as a suitably equipped and licenced aircraft.



In my view the UK IMC rating is a beautiful qualification that should 

remain. Some of the latest news from the current debates is now more 

encouraging in that the European authorities will allow the UK IMC rating to 

remain for another 4 years, at least, (Meantime we persuade our European 

brothers to move in our direction).



Please sign the petition to keep the IMC rating. One day skills gained  by 

training for the  qualification by just make the difference between a happy 

flight and an unhappy one



http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IMC-Rating/



Bob Hitchcock



G-BWON

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steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: IMC rating

Thanks Bob that was just the sort of feedback I was looking for. I found it 

extremely frustrating that having paid and trained for the IMC (I saw it as 

a further development course that was going to keep me skilled and safe with 

my flying) that the ATC units could not see anything other than a nuisance 

to their Commercial operations.

I have feedback from a well respected and experienced trainer/examiner who 

says that he does not do IMC training as "it's a real pain even in a normal 

aircraft. Getting any sort of instrument approach is difficult".

The 'lack of accident'  statistics speak for themselves - we must continue 

to see the IMC used and trained to improve safety.



Thanks for the replies so far.

Steve Pitt

G-SMDH

PS What do the Commercial I/R pilots think of the subject?

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willie.harrison(at)tinyon
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: IMC rating

Remind me someone, is there also a concession in the UK about reduced  

in-flight vis which is deemed VFR if you have an IMC rating  

(regardless of what type of a/c you're flying?)



Steve, I'm in the same boat as you. Mine lapsed and since instrument  

approaches are clearly off limits in a Permit a/c, I didn't see the  

point of renewing it. Never regretted the training though - a life  

saver if you use it to get out of IMC (not necessarily if you use it  

to get into IMC).



Anyway, it looks as if all the Euro-harmonisation, which cousin Bob  

loves so much, is going to scrap the IMC rating.



Safe Flying



Willie

On 25 Jan 2008, at 09:09, Steve Pitt wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.com>



 Thanks Bob that was just the sort of feedback I was looking for. I  

 found it extremely frustrating that having paid and trained for the  

 IMC (I saw it as a further development course that was going to  

 keep me skilled and safe with my flying) that the ATC units could  

 not see anything other than a nuisance to their Commercial operations.

 I have feedback from a well respected and experienced trainer/ 

 examiner who says that he does not do IMC training as "it's a real  

 pain even in a normal aircraft. Getting any sort of instrument  

 approach is difficult".

 The 'lack of accident'  statistics speak for themselves - we must  

 continue to see the IMC used and trained to improve safety.



 Thanks for the replies so far.

 Steve Pitt

 G-SMDH

 PS What do the Commercial I/R pilots think of the subject?

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