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ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

I am curious to know whether anyone else finds the rudder pedals

on the type V problematic in so far as being able to use the rudder

function without inadvertently using brake.  I find that it is very

difficult to do so.  Mine are adjusted to tilt top back as far as they

can, but this still leaves them such that the foot wants to contact the

top and apply brake even when this is not desired.  Only by

concentrating to place my foot on the very bottom part of the pedal, can

brake be avoided.

	I am considering adding a step to the bottom of the pedal so the

foot can 'find' the rudder only function more easily.   

	Or is there a different pedal that someone has made to solve

this problem?  Or can the pedal be removed and modified to solve this?



Duane Rueb

roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

Duane I had to shorten the threaded part of the master cylinder shaft and 

clearance the pivot point on the peddle to get mine right.  They also bound 

and applied the brakes in a hard rudder without touching the brake.   Ron NB 

Ore

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		  From: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu>

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Subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:02:44 -0800






	I am curious to know whether anyone else finds the rudder pedals

on the type V problematic in so far as being able to use the rudder

function without inadvertently using brake.  I find that it is very

difficult to do so.  Mine are adjusted to tilt top back as far as they

can, but this still leaves them such that the foot wants to contact the

top and apply brake even when this is not desired.  Only by

concentrating to place my foot on the very bottom part of the pedal, can

brake be avoided.

	I am considering adding a step to the bottom of the pedal so the

foot can 'find' the rudder only function more easily.

	Or is there a different pedal that someone has made to solve

this problem?  Or can the pedal be removed and modified to solve this?



Duane Rueb

wingsdown(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

The bigger the foot the bigger the problem. I have seen on some designs

a two bar set which would seem to allow only deliberate brake effort. I

found on my 5 that little input was needed for control and keeping the

foot flat on the floor and using the toes was best. Also light flexible

shoes seem to help. Hey I even had may favorite thin cotton socks I wore

when flying. 



Rick



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Richard Rabbers

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Benton Harbor, MI - USA

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Re: rudder pedal help for type 5

 	  wingsdown(at)comcast.net wrote: 	
		  The bigger the foot the bigger the problem. 



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I'm still working on M-1 restoration but in 'stick' training last summer in an Aeronca Champ.... it took me about 4 sessions to find the right shoe combination. Champs have heal brakes - I found my shoes getting tangled with peddles in making transition to breaking.  I experiemented with bare feet and padding (small bar very unformfortable on feet) and finally found the right shoe.... THEN how to use it.



It was a TREAT - with a longer than desired learning curve.



My big feet would no doubt be a bigger problem in my M-1 ..... I'll avoid the problem by flying FLOATS ! 

- Lots of work to do before launch. 



I really enjoy reading this list and the great contributions by all.



Thank you



Richard

M-1 - restoration / full lotus floats

SW Michigan



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Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)

valley361(at)centurytel.n
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

Keep your heels on the floor. You don't need your feet resting on the

pedals.

                                                        Jay C.

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ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

List and Rick



	I forgot to include the information about my anatomy.  It is

actually fairly normal and boringly ordinary,  with size 101/2 (narrow)

shoe, and no motion restrictions.  Yes, I do take care to use a shoe

that is not clumsy, cause with one that is It would be a disaster.  I

have been using a thin running shoe mostly, and like you have said you

do, I try to use only toes on the bottom of the pedal, unless I want

brake, where then I need to slide up to a position that will allow that.

Thanks for the help.  



Duane

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aldaniels(at)fmtc.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

I know it is a problem getting some brake when using the rudder. I have 

not seen it with a tri gear plane, but a 5-7 tailwheel were you use more 

rudder is a real problem. Both my wife and son sometimes get a little 

smoke off the tires on take off, and trying to keep the tail up on a 

wheel landing sometimes gets unwanted brakes.  I have it adjusted to the 

limits and think I will  rivet a strip of something across the bottom of 

the pedals so you only get brake when you want it.  I was thinking of a 

plastic piece like what we use to mount the aluminum landing gear, but 

have not found just what I want yet.



Another caution on rudder peddles. Make sure you can not get your shoe 

stuck between the rudder peddle and the center tube or side panel. I had 

that happen once on short final on a back country strip when doing a 

hard slip. I could not get my foot out and was stuck in full right 

rudder on a no go around strip. I had my wife push full right rudder so 

I could get my foot out just in time. I now install a guard so that can 

not happen.



Alan



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AMuller589(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

my biggest problem is getting my shoe toes tangled under the panel and  

wiring in many aircraft. One of NASA' U-2 pilots got his boots trapped in the  

tubular frame it uses for ruddr, toe brakes, so it is definitely a  hazard.

ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

Thanks, Ron



Duane



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alnanarthur(at)sbcglobal.
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

Duane,



I attached a 1/2 inch thick , one inch wide wood block across  the  

bottom of my rudder

pedals.  It works well for me.



Allan Arthur

Kitfox 5, N40AA

Rotax 912s, Warpdrive 3 blade

Byron Airport (C83)  Hanger C8



On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Rueb, Duane wrote:



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 <ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu>



 	I am curious to know whether anyone else finds the rudder pedals

 on the type V problematic in so far as being able to use the rudder

 function without inadvertently using brake.  I find that it is very

 difficult to do so.  Mine are adjusted to tilt top back as far as they

 can, but this still leaves them such that the foot wants to contact  

 the

 top and apply brake even when this is not desired.  Only by

 concentrating to place my foot on the very bottom part of the  

 pedal, can

 brake be avoided.

 	I am considering adding a step to the bottom of the pedal so the

 foot can 'find' the rudder only function more easily.

 	Or is there a different pedal that someone has made to solve

 this problem?  Or can the pedal be removed and modified to solve this?



 Duane Rueb

ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: rudder pedal help for type 5

Dear Allan:



Thank you very much for the info.  I was guessing that 1/2 inch height

might be about right, and with a 1 inch width it seems that it should.

I may use a bent up sheet metal design, but a block of wood is also a

good solution, so thanks again.



Duane, K-5 

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