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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: IFR GPS

I posed the question of what's needed for LEGAL IFR operation, and this 

was the reply I got.  He lives in the certified airplane world but .......



The unit must be certified under either TSO-c129 or TSO-c146, be

installed in the aircraft, and be approved in that aircraft on a 337 via either

STC or field approval (if no STC for that aircraft exists).  No TSO, no IFR

approval.



Since I'm planning on using the Odyssee 

(http://www.mglavionics.com/html/odyssey.html) glass panel with it's 

built-in WAAS capableGPS with RAIM ....... there's no TSO.  Those of you 

with glass panels that fly IFR with a built-in GPS ....... did you use a 

certified GPS as backupor wing it ..... pun intended  .

Linn

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: IFR GPS

Hi Linn,



The info is "part right".  It needs technically and legally needs to meet

the TSO, but of course there is no requirement for an STC or 337.  STC/337

are moot for experimentals.



Cheers,

Stein



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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: IFR GPS

There are nine FSDO regions and 83 offices within those regions and I venture that each will have a different interpretation of this for experimentals.  I think if you intend to go this route however, you should get this in writing from one of those 83 FSDOs .  Otherwise, if you are ramp checked after completing an RNAV approach, potentially you could be cited for not having an "approved" GPS navigator.  To avoid the ambiguity, most just go with an approved GPS navigator.



http://www.atlasaviation.com/FSDO%20Locations/FSDO_Locations.htm



If *I* planned to fly IFR in ANY plane, experimental or otherwise, then my primary GPS navigation equipment WILL be TSO'd c129 or C146a certified.  But that's just me. YMMV.



To me an $8000 TSO C146a GPS/Nav/Com offers peach of mind, that a $500 non certified GPS with RAIM (RAIM not proven to anyone outside the company--such as the FAA) does NOT offer.  

William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: IFR GPS

Linn,

  

 I've attached are a couple of pages from Keith  Thomasseen's great book on the Chelton's, I hope he doesn't mind, that I think  will help address your question. I think he's a pretty smart guy and I would  trust his evaluation.

  

 I have the Freeflight 1201 WAAS GPS, which is IFR  certified and I use it as my primary source, driving my Chelton's. I have  standard steam gauges to backup the Freeflight/Chelton's.

  

 I hope this is able to help you out on your  question.

  

 Wayne Edgerton N602WT

 flying and staring my flight to Alaska  Saturday.

  

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             Subject:              IFR GPS        From:              linn Walters (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net ([email]pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net?subject=Re:%20IFR%20GPS&replyto=4856BFD0.1040706(at)bellsouth.net[/email]))        Date:              [b]Mon Jun 16 - 12:36        PM[/b]  	  Quote: 	
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		  I posed the question of what's needed for LEGAL IFR operation, and this 

was the reply I got.  He lives in the certified airplane world but ......



The unit must be certified under either TSO-c129 or TSO-c146, be

installed in the aircraft, and be approved in that aircraft on a 337 via either

STC or field approval (if no STC for that aircraft exists).  No TSO, no IFR

approval.



Since I'm planning on using the Odyssee 

(http://www.mglavionics.com/html/odyssey.html) glass panel with it's 

built-in WAAS capableGPS with RAIM ....... there's no TSO.  Those of you 

with glass panels that fly IFR with a built-in GPS ....... did you use a 

certified GPS as backupor wing it ..... pun intended  .

Linn

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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Location: Nevada

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: IFR requirements

I am a high time VFR pilot, but wanted my plane to have IFR capability.

I put in a Garmin 496 - non IFR GPS as my primary navigation system.



For the IFR requirements I was told to put in the following:

Garmin SL30 Nav/Com with external antenna (CDI on AFS3500 unit)

Audio Panel with Marker Beacon

Transponder

Timer (on AFS3500 unit)

Heated Pitot - Gretz G1000 (if I get it in a reasonable time frame)

Full lighting system - for night



optionally

Backup ADI, Altimeter and A/S

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