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michele.delsol(at)microsi
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Matte,



I've been getting recently aeroelectric duplicates in large numbers. Some as

much as 6 copies of the same email. It's a pain as instead of getting 10

emails, I get 50. This does not seem to be happening on the other matronics

lists.



Am I alone with this syndrome ? or are others also being hit?



Michèle

RV8 - engine/avionics



-----Message d'origine-----

De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Terry

Watson

Envoyé : mercredi 16 juillet 2008 21:49

À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Objet : RE: Sleep well tonight, your government is awake.






If your foresight was as good as your hindsight, you could have prevented

9-11 for us. Saddam Hussein's generals thought they had weapons of mass

destruction, as did the intelligence services of all civilized countries

that were interested enough to think about it. Where were you when we needed

you? Look at all the lives and dollars you could have saved if you would

have shown them they were wrong.



Terry



 



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lists(at)stevet.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Michèle,



This is not an unusual situation with Outlook.  If you are getting  

your mail from an Exchange server, the server is resending the  

messages to your Outlook because, for some reason, it didn't think  

that it was delivered correctly the last time.  Talk to your system  

administrator.  If not Exchange, then the same situation is occurring  

where Outlook is not correctly responding to the delivery of the  

mail.  Try using Thunderbird.

On Jul 16, 2008, at 11:52 PM, Michèle W wrote:



[quote] 

 = <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>



 Matte,



 I've been getting recently aeroelectric duplicates in large numbers.  

 Some as

 much as 6 copies of the same email. It's a pain as instead of  

 getting 10

 emails, I get 50. This does not seem to be happening on the other  

 matronics

 lists.



 Am I alone with this syndrome ? or are others also being hit?



 Michèle

 RV8 - engine/avionics



 -----Message d'origine-----

 De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de  

 Terry

 Watson

 Envoyé : mercredi 16 juillet 2008 21:49

 À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Objet : RE: Sleep well tonight, your government  

 is awake.



 

 >



 If your foresight was as good as your hindsight, you could have  

 prevented

 9-11 for us. Saddam Hussein's generals thought they had weapons of  

 mass

 destruction, as did the intelligence services of all civilized  

 countries

 that were interested enough to think about it. Where were you when  

 we needed

 you? Look at all the lives and dollars you could have saved if you  

 would

 have shown them they were wrong.



 Terry



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tonybabb(at)alejandra.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

It may be just you. I'm receiving normal e-mail from matronics lists.



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nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

At 08:52 AM 7/17/2008 +0200, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

<michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>



Matte,



I've been getting recently aeroelectric duplicates in large numbers. Some as

much as 6 copies of the same email. It's a pain as instead of getting 10

emails, I get 50. This does not seem to be happening on the other matronics

lists.



Am I alone with this syndrome ? or are others also being hit?



Michèle

RV8 - engine/avionics


	


    Not that I've heard of . . . and unless you're on

    the list of subscribed readers, there's no way

    the list server could be duplicating mails. I

    think I'd call my ISP's email guy.



    Does this happen with emails OTHER than those

    from the list server?



    Bob . . .

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

I always love it when people make assumptions.  Because it's M$ it just couldn't be a misconfiguration somewhere, it must be the software.  Better solution, unsubscribe and then resubscribe to this list.  Odds are that will probably fix it.  If not email Matt directly at dralle(at)matronics.com.



Do not archive



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Dale Ensing

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Location: Aero Plantation Weddington NC

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

I experience the same thing as Steve describes below. It happens to me when 

it 'times out' and not all of the emails are sent that are in the que.

Dale

do not achieve

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Dale Ensing
RV-6A
Aero Plantation
Weddington NC

lists(at)stevet.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Gee, Michael, what was the assumption?  I've had this exact experience  

with Exchange and was simply making a suggestion as a place to look.   

Sorry that you are so sensitive on Microsoft's behalf, but there was  

no attack or assumption.  Chill out, dude.



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On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:15 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I always love it when people make assumptions.  Because it's M$ it  

 just couldn't be a misconfiguration somewhere, it must be the  

 software.  Better solution, unsubscribe and then resubscribe to this  

 list.  Odds are that will probably fix it.  If not email Matt  

 directly at dralle(at)matronics.com.

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Yep and I've seen it before several times, usually from a variety of mail systems and non client specific.  Many times caused by flaky TCP sessions or bad scripts.  You didn't really offer troubleshooting advice as it was specific to one vendor which is what prompted my response.  I'm fairly vendor agnostic and don't particularly care about M$ more than any other vendor, but in either case your reaction says it all.  The fact the problem as described was limited to this one list and none of the others would seem to point to a problem with the address in the listsrv rather than a client or local server problem.  If I recall correctly this has happened before to other people from time to time.  Could be a simple mail loop or just something horked up along the way but unsubscribe/resubscribe is known to cure these types of problems.  Chill out.  HA! Indeed. 



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selwyn

Joined: 12 Mar 2008
Posts: 102
Location: Australia

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Problems with multiple emails

I'm not sure about your particular problem Michele, it could be due to a flaky internet connection but if that was the case then it is likely to affect mail from more than one source.



One thing that does clutter up this list (and many others) is entirely under user control.  This where people reply to the list and include the received message in their reply.  If several people do this then the emails sent out by the list contain multiple repeats of the same original messages with a tidbit of new information on the front.  This creates a lot of repeated junk and makes the digests just about unreadable.



I've quoted an example below.  I picked this one because it was handy, this is not a criticism of the person who made the post.



Personally I found the email service not worth the trouble because of this repeat posting and have switched to the web BBS interface.  Much neater and more friendly.  For anyone who wants to try, it is here http://forums.matronics.com.  Just pick the aeroelectric list from the index.,



Cheers.



[quote="lists(at)stevet.net"]Michï¿½le,



This is not an unusual situation with Outlook.  If you are getting  

your mail from an Exchange server, the server is resending the  

messages to your Outlook because, for some reason, it didn't think  

that it was delivered correctly the last time.  Talk to your system  

administrator.  If not Exchange, then the same situation is occurring  

where Outlook is not correctly responding to the delivery of the  

mail.  Try using Thunderbird.

On Jul 16, 2008, at 11:52 PM, Michï¿½le W wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 = <michele>



 Matte,



 I've been getting recently aeroelectric duplicates in large numbers.  

 Some as

 much as 6 copies of the same email. It's a pain as instead of  

 getting 10

 emails, I get 50. This does not seem to be happening on the other  

 matronics

 lists.



 Am I alone with this syndrome ? or are others also being hit?



 Michï¿½le

 RV8 - engine/avionics



 -----Message d'origine-----

 De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de  

 Terry

 Watson

 Envoyï¿½ : mercredi 16 juillet 2008 21:49

 ï¿½ : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Objet : RE: Sleep well tonight, your government  

 is awake.



 

 >



 If your foresight was as good as your hindsight, you could have  

 prevented

 9-11 for us. Saddam Hussein's generals thought they had weapons of  

 mass

 destruction, as did the intelligence services of all civilized  

 countries

 that were interested enough to think about it. Where were you when  

 we needed

 you? Look at all the lives and dollars you could have saved if you  

 would

 have shown them they were wrong.



 Terry



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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Good Evening Selwyn,

  

 I do not disagree with your post, but it also makes for tough  interpretation when NONE of the preceding message is included.

  

 May I suggest that just enough be included so that the rest of us can  tell what subject is being discussed?

  

 One other suggestion. I believe Matt has asked that we do sign our posts.  

  

 I did not see any signature on your post. 

  

 I believe he also suggests that we tell what we are working on and  where we are located in our signature. It does help many of us to know who we  are talking to,  where they are located, and what they are  flying.  As long as Matt does make that request, it seems we should provide  such information.

  

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AKA

Bob Siegfried

Ancient Aviator

628 West  86th Street

Downers Grove, IL 60516

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  In a message dated 7/17/2008 9:56:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  One    thing that does clutter up this list (and many others) is entirely under user    control.  This where people reply to the list and include the received    message in their reply.  If several people do this then the emails sent    out by the list contain multiple repeats of the same original messages with a    tidbit of new information on the front.  This creates a lot of repeated    junk and makes the digests just about  unreadable.



	






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michele.delsol(at)microsi
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Steve,



Negative as this is only happening with matronics emails. The ration is

currently anywhere from 6 to 1 to 10 to 1.



As to unsubscribe, resubscribe, since I am on several matronics list, I'd

keep this as a last solution.



Do not archive



Michèle

-----Message d'origine-----

De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Steve

Thomas

Envoyé : jeudi 17 juillet 2008 15:28

À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Objet : Re: Problems with multiple emails






Michèle,



This is not an unusual situation with Outlook.  If you are getting  

your mail from an Exchange server, the server is resending the  

messages to your Outlook because, for some reason, it didn't think  

that it was delivered correctly the last time.  Talk to your system  

administrator.  If not Exchange, then the same situation is occurring  

where Outlook is not correctly responding to the delivery of the  

mail.  Try using Thunderbird.

On Jul 16, 2008, at 11:52 PM, Michèle W wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 = <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>



 Matte,



 I've been getting recently aeroelectric duplicates in large numbers.  

 Some as

 much as 6 copies of the same email. It's a pain as instead of  

 getting 10

 emails, I get 50. This does not seem to be happening on the other  

 matronics

 lists.



 Am I alone with this syndrome ? or are others also being hit?



 Michèle

 RV8 - engine/avionics



 -----Message d'origine-----

 De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de  

 Terry

 Watson

 Envoyé : mercredi 16 juillet 2008 21:49

 À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

 Objet : RE: Sleep well tonight, your government  

 is awake.



 

<terry(at)tcwatson.com 
	


[quote] >



 If your foresight was as good as your hindsight, you could have  

 prevented

 9-11 for us. Saddam Hussein's generals thought they had weapons of  

 mass

 destruction, as did the intelligence services of all civilized  

 countries

 that were interested enough to think about it. Where were you when  

 we needed

 you? Look at all the lives and dollars you could have saved if you  

 would

 have shown them they were wrong.



 Terry



 --

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26321
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Michele,

Looks like the problem is at your email server.  The Matronics server is getting the follow response from your email server:

        RPFD:michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr

        MDeferred: Connection timed out with mail.ionfunding.com.

This tells the Matronics server that the email was not properly delivered, so after a period of time, it tries to deliver it again.  Apparently, the message is actually being delivered, however.  This would account for the multiple copies of the same message.

I would contact your ISP and ask them about their Internet connectivity.  They are probably already aware of connection reliability issues, but it wouldn't hurt to add your complaint.

Best regards,

Matt Dralle

Matronics Network/Email Manager

At 11:49 PM 7/17/2008  Thursday, you wrote:

[quote]

Steve,

Negative as this is only happening with matronics emails. The ration is

currently anywhere from 6 to 1 to 10 to 1.

As to unsubscribe, resubscribe, since I am on several matronics list, I'd

keep this as a last solution.

Do not archive

Michèle

-----Message d'origine-----

De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Steve

Thomas

Envoyé : jeudi 17 juillet 2008 15:28

À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Objet : Re: Problems with multiple emails

Michèle,

This is not an unusual situation with Outlook.  If you are getting  

your mail from an Exchange server, the server is resending the  

messages to your Outlook because, for some reason, it didn't think  

that it was delivered correctly the last time.  Talk to your system  

administrator.  If not Exchange, then the same situation is occurring  

where Outlook is not correctly responding to the delivery of the  

mail.  Try using Thunderbird.

On Jul 16, 2008, at 11:52 PM, Michèle W wrote:

> 

> = <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>

>

> Matte,

>

> I've been getting recently aeroelectric duplicates in large numbers.  

> Some as

> much as 6 copies of the same email. It's a pain as instead of  

> getting 10

> emails, I get 50. This does not seem to be happening on the other  

> matronics

> lists.

>

> Am I alone with this syndrome ? or are others also being hit?

>

> Michèle

> RV8 - engine/avionics

>

> -----Message d'origine-----

> De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de  

> Terry

> Watson

> Envoyé : mercredi 16 juillet 2008 21:49

> À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

> Objet : RE: Sleep well tonight, your government  

> is awake.

>

> 

<terry(at)tcwatson.com 

> >

>

> If your foresight was as good as your hindsight, you could have  

> prevented

> 9-11 for us. Saddam Hussein's generals thought they had weapons of  

> mass

> destruction, as did the intelligence services of all civilized  

> countries

> that were interested enough to think about it. Where were you when  

> we needed

> you? Look at all the lives and dollars you could have saved if you  

> would

> have shown them they were wrong.

>

> Terry

>

> --

_________________
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

nuckolls.bob(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

At 03:15 PM 7/17/2008 -0500, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

<rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>



  I always love it when people make assumptions.  Because it's M$ it just 

 couldn't be a misconfiguration somewhere, it must be the 

 software.  Better solution, unsubscribe and then resubscribe to this 

 list.  Odds are that will probably fix it.  If not email Matt directly at 

 dralle(at)matronics.com.



Do not archive


	


    One of my ISP gurus suggested that it may not be a problem

    in your computer or the software that it runs. He explained

    that e-mail relaying protocols watch for a return

    message indicating that the file was delivered to

    the mailbox on the recipient's server. When circuits

    are busy, mail-box servers are down, mail-boxes are

    full, etc, then a "message not delivered" flag is

    returned to the originating system.



    In this case, the message is held for a period of

    time and re-sent. This re-sending activity will happen

    for some number of times as selected by the programmer.

    If successful delivery is not achieved after time-out,

    it bounces back to the originator with an explanation

    of some kind.



    He's seen situations where bugs in software do not

    properly report a received message. In this case,

    the originating system is fooled into believing

    that it needs to keep trying. The numbers of messages

    in the string of duplications is a function of

    how many times the originating system tried to

    send it . . . without getting a proper message

    received flag.



    It's something that can occur in several locations

    along the pipe and any single complaint on your part

    is unlikely to result in a timely resolution.

    In any case, it's something you should make your

    ISP aware of. He/she MIGHT do something on your

    behalf . . . and may have too many irons in the

    fire to take on a new worry.



    He also said it COULD be a situation where your

    email application is not telling your e-mail server

    to erase a message after it has been downloaded.

    If your e-mail client is set up to periodically

    download the current suite of mail residing on your

    service, then it would conduct multiple downloads

    of the same message. You might go into the application

    and shut off periodic, automatic downloads. Also see

    if there's an option for "Erase  message from server

    after download" that has not been invoked. But if

    this problem resided on your computer, then it

    would do the same thing with all emails, not just

    those from matronics lists.



    Bob . . .

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

If it's only happening with the Matronics emails, and Matt confirmed there is a connection time out, there is a chance your ISP is seeing connections from Matronics as potential SPAM and is Tarpitting the connections to force the reset and discourage further SPAM being sent to their servers.  Either way, follow up with your mail server admin.



Michael



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michele.delsol(at)microsi
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Problems with multiple emails

Thanks Matt - but any reason why this should be happening only with the

matronics lists ? aeroelectric included ?



Michèle

-----Message d'origine-----

De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Matt

Dralle

Envoyé : vendredi 18 juillet 2008 17:49

À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Objet : RE: Problems with multiple emails




Michele,



Looks like the problem is at your email server.  The Matronics server is

getting the follow response from your email server:



        RPFD:michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr

        MDeferred: Connection timed out with mail.ionfunding.com.



This tells the Matronics server that the email was not properly delivered,

so after a period of time, it tries to deliver it again.  Apparently, the

message is actually being delivered, however.  This would account for the

multiple copies of the same message.



I would contact your ISP and ask them about their Internet connectivity.

They are probably already aware of connection reliability issues, but it

wouldn't hurt to add your complaint.



Best regards,



Matt Dralle

Matronics Network/Email Manager



At 11:49 PM 7/17/2008  Thursday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

<michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
	


[quote]

Steve,



Negative as this is only happening with matronics emails. The ration is

currently anywhere from 6 to 1 to 10 to 1.



As to unsubscribe, resubscribe, since I am on several matronics list, I'd

keep this as a last solution.



Do not archive



Michèle

-----Message d'origine-----

De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de Steve

Thomas

Envoyé : jeudi 17 juillet 2008 15:28

À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Objet : Re: Problems with multiple emails






Michèle,



This is not an unusual situation with Outlook.  If you are getting  

your mail from an Exchange server, the server is resending the  

messages to your Outlook because, for some reason, it didn't think  

that it was delivered correctly the last time.  Talk to your system  

administrator.  If not Exchange, then the same situation is occurring  

where Outlook is not correctly responding to the delivery of the  

mail.  Try using Thunderbird.

On Jul 16, 2008, at 11:52 PM, Michèle W wrote:



> 

> = <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>

>

> Matte,

>

> I've been getting recently aeroelectric duplicates in large numbers.  

> Some as

> much as 6 copies of the same email. It's a pain as instead of  

> getting 10

> emails, I get 50. This does not seem to be happening on the other  

> matronics

> lists.

>

> Am I alone with this syndrome ? or are others also being hit?

>

> Michèle

> RV8 - engine/avionics

>

> -----Message d'origine-----

> De : owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com

> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de  

> Terry

> Watson

> Envoyé : mercredi 16 juillet 2008 21:49

> À : aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

> Objet : RE: Sleep well tonight, your government  

> is awake.

>

> 

<terry(at)tcwatson.com 

> >

>

> If your foresight was as good as your hindsight, you could have  

> prevented

> 9-11 for us. Saddam Hussein's generals thought they had weapons of  

> mass

> destruction, as did the intelligence services of all civilized  

> countries

> that were interested enough to think about it. Where were you when  

> we needed

> you? Look at all the lives and dollars you could have saved if you  

> would

> have shown them they were wrong.

>

> Terry

>

> --

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