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darrellhaas(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: steam gauges

For those of you out there using steam gauges, what brand and why you chose it- ie What about Falcon etc. I had a great experience or the stupid thing only lasted a week. Thank you,

Darrell Haas

601 XL

 N23DD

working on fuse



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jetboy

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: steam gauges

Darrell,

             I use Mitchell from ACS  they appear to be rehoused VDO instruments but are lower cost and have a proper aircraft style mounting.



These have been good for me, I used to have some Westach when I ran 2 strokes and found them compatible in terms of reliability (not) 



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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: steam gauges

Darrell, if your going to buy steam gauges I recommend you buy good ones. When I built my XL I low balled and I ended up in the first year and a half replacing most all the "cheap" gauges I originally installed. China does a lot of things real good, but if their fighter planes use their gauges we will never have anything to fear from them. I am building a RV-8a now and intend an all glass panel. For what I paid for the "cheap" gauges and there more expensive replacements I could have bought Garmin 850. Best wishes and blue sky's, 

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: steam gauges

I bought most of my flight instruments from eBay. I paid about a third  

of the retail cost. Most of them were pulled out of old Cessnas or  

Pipers and sold in eBay auctions. The used RC Allan gyro horizon  

lasted about two years and then the motor burned out but the new RC  

Allan directional Gyro is still going strong. My ASI, VSI, turn and  

bank and altimeter were all bought used and are all U.S. made and  

still working fine. I've flown the plane about 330 hours over the last  

four years.



I haven't heard much good about Falcon gauges but have no personal  

experience with them.



On Jul 23, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Darrell Haas wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   For those of you out there using steam gauges, what brand and why  

 you chose it- ie What about Falcon etc. I had a great experience or  

 the stupid thing only lasted a week. Thank you,

 Darrell Haas

 601 XL

 N23DD

 working on fuse


	




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Iberplanes

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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Location: Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: steam gauges

What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are electrical or vacuum ? 



THX 



Alberto Martin

www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - Spain

 

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Tail Kit: Finished

Wings: Not Started

Fuselage: Ordered

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: steam gauges

They are made to order so they put what you want.

Juan



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jmaynard

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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: steam gauges

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20:42PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote:

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		   What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are

 electrical or vacuum ?


	


AMD does not use vacuum gyro instruments, just electric ones. I don't know

the make and model off the top of my head. I'll look at the book later to

see if they're listed.

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jmaynard

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: steam gauges

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

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 On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20:42PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote:

 > What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are

 > electrical or vacuum ?

 AMD does not use vacuum gyro instruments, just electric ones. I don't know

 the make and model off the top of my head. I'll look at the book later to

 see if they're listed.

Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry.

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Gig Giacona

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: Re: steam gauges

[quote="jmaynard"]On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry.

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Jay, if they are Falcon you will know soon enough.





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jmaynard

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: steam gauges

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 06:16:47AM -0700, Gig Giacona wrote:

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		   On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

 >Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry.

 Jay, if they are Falcon you will know soon enough.


	


They're not; I looked at them when AMD had the panel open. After looking at

the Aircraft Spruce catalog online, I think they're RC Allen RCA26-AK1 AI,

RC Allen RCA15AK-1 DG, a United Instruments VSI, and I think a United

altimeter as well. Can't tell about the TC or airspeed gauge.

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Iberplanes

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: steam gauges

Thanks Jay, 



Electric are better than the vacuum, that´s why they are so expensive. 



2008/7/24 Jay Maynard <jmaynard(at)conmicro.com (jmaynard(at)conmicro.com)>:

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 On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58:53PM -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

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 > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20:42PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote:

 > > What brands and types are AMD using on their certified XL? Anyone knows, are

 > > electrical or vacuum ?

 > AMD does not use vacuum gyro instruments, just electric ones. I don't know

 > the make and model off the top of my head. I'll look at the book later to

 > see if they're listed.

 

 Couldn't find them in any of the books. Sorry.

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 Serial: 6-7011



Tail Kit: Finished

Wings: Not Started

Fuselage: Ordered

Engine: Jabiru 3300 

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jmaynard

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: steam gauges

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:56:09PM +0200, Iberplanes IGL wrote:

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		   Electric are better than the vacuum, that?s why they are so expensive.


	


I'll second that. I'm REALLY happy that my airplane has no vacuum pump. Even

the weight of the backup instrument battery is  small price to pay for that,

and it's not all that heavy.

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: steam gauges

Actually if you compare electronic versus the price of a standard six pack vaccuum system.  Elctronic kicks its butt in pricing.   A dynon EFIS system is almost half the price of the standrd Vac guages including Art. Horizon.   Less maintenance as well.



Juan



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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: steam gauges

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Juan Vega wrote:

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		   Actually if you compare electronic versus the price of a standard six pack

 vaccuum system.  Elctronic kicks its butt in pricing.  A dynon EFIS system

 is almost half the price of the standrd Vac guages including Art. Horizon. 

 Less maintenance as well.


	


Compare apples to apples. The Dynon is not TSOd. TSOd glass panels are a lot

more expensive.

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: steam gauges

WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO.  TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that does not make anything safer.  If it can go in the Rutan Rocket ship, its good enough for some rincky dinky EAB at 110 mph in my eyes. 



Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: steam gauges

WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO.  TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that does not make anything safer.  If it can go in the Rutan Rocket ship, its good enough for some rincky dinky EAB at 110 mph in my eyes. 



Juan



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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: steam gauges

WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO.  TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that does not make anything safer.  If it can go in the Rutan Rocket ship, its good enough for some rincky dinky EAB at 110 mph in my eyes. 



Juan



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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: steam gauges

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:28:45PM -0400, Juan Vega wrote:

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		   WHo gives a ^%$#^ bout TSO.  TSO means pay out the ass for licensing that

 does not make anything safer.


	


TSO also means, for a factory built aircraft, "legal for IFR" for the

primary flight instruments. That is why I went with steam gauges instead of

a Dynon. It alo means that comparing costs is not apples-to-apples.

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