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 Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
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Dale,
I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start again after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years old, I too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better than spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple of e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he asked me was
did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happens.
My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to make sure that I have tried everything else first!
By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
Regards
Woody Sulloway
Trigear Sonex
Jab 3300
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Iberplanes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
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Hello Dale,
No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can arrange a visit and meal.
My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started the engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I´ve read that we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If I get more info I will published it.
Take care,
Alberto Martin
2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway <sulloway(at)clis.com (sulloway(at)clis.com)>
[quote] Dale,
I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start again after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years old, I too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better than spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple of e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he asked me was
did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happens.
My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to make sure that I have tried everything else first!
By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
Regards
Woody Sulloway
Trigear Sonex
Jab 3300
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
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Woody,
Thanks for the note. It appears that we both have the same starter motors and the same problem. However, during the build I drilled the holes that Pete mentioned and still have the problem. In talking with Pete he said that the Bosch starters have been replaced with Nippon-Denso's so the factory must be aware of the problem. He also said that replacement starters were priced at about $685. If we can find a model number we could start looking for a used replacement. Pete said that some of the smaller diesels may be using them.
Did you change your alternator?
Regards,
Dale
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
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Martin,
Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is the US don't seem to be aware of it.
Thanks,
Dale
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Iberplanes
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
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not 100 % sure, but I believe it was on an builder website. I´m re-checking my favorites website and I´ll let you know
take care,
Albert Martin
2008/7/28 D.Hetrick <gdh(at)isp.com (gdh(at)isp.com)>
[quote] Martin,
Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is the US don't seem to be aware of it.
Thanks,
Dale
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Clive J
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
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The later 'silver' starter motors are wound differently and seem capable of turning the engine over more smartly for a given battery voltage. Certainly I have both on two different engines and the 'silver' one will crank the engine over when almost flat, whereas the black one shows a low battery charge up by stopping the engine from cranking up fast enough to start. Generally that's a cold day in winter.
The difficulty with a hot start is unlikely to be that however, IMHO.
Regards, Clive
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Iberplanes IGL
Sent: 29 July 2008 14:25
To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot
not 100 % sure, but I believe it was on an builder website. I´m re-checking my favorites website and I´ll let you know
take care,
Albert Martin
2008/7/28 D.Hetrick <gdh(at)isp.com (gdh(at)isp.com)>
| Quote: | Martin,
Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is the US don't seem to be aware of it.
Thanks,
Dale
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From: Iberplanes IGL (iberplanes(at)gmail.com)
To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com (jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot
Hello Dale,
No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can arrange a visit and meal.
My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started the engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I´ve read that we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If I get more info I will published it.
Take care,
Alberto Martin
2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway <sulloway(at)clis.com (sulloway(at)clis.com)>
| Quote: | Dale,
I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start again after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years old, I too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better than spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple of e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he asked me was
did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happens.
My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to make sure that I have tried everything else first!
By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
Regards
Woody Sulloway
Trigear Sonex
Jab 3300
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