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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2778 Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Some guys say their videos sell Kitfoxes, but I say it was my pylon
turns, and slipping into a landing recently at Oshkosh in front of
thousands of adoring fans that opened the floodgates of orders for
new aircraft at Kitfox Aircraft LLC (www.kitfoxaircraft.com) (wink,
wink)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:04 AM, dave wrote:
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> The Kitfox 7 Super Sport has been for sale for the past couple of
> years... It is a tail dragger or tricycle gear, whichever you
> choose with great STOL performance. I talked to a guy that visited
> the factory in Idaho recently and he said everything was great. He
> was so positively impressed with the John, the factory, and the
> plane that he bought a Kitfox Super Sport kit and is now building it
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> Mike
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Mike , I cannot say that a Super sport is a STOL aircraft as I have
never flown one or see and video on one. If it is a STOL aircraft
then Mc BEan should be shooting some video to help sell his
airplane like this guy did http://ca.youtube.com/watch?
v=ct2fNFc8AxY
I will tell you that my videos Have in fact sold many pilots on the
Kitfox and in fact have helped sell many used Kitfoxes. Too bad
the Model IV is not sold new anymore as I think it would be a
stellar seller as we already know if built and flown right it is a
stellar performer and would be close to a STOL aircraft.
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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 1382
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Quote: | Some guys say their videos sell Kitfoxes, but I say it was my pylon
turns, and slipping into a landing recently at Oshkosh in front of
thousands of adoring fans that opened the floodgates of orders for
new aircraft at Kitfox Aircraft LLC (www.kitfoxaircraft.com) (wink,
wink)
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Kitfox aircraft did this ? GREAT !!!!!!!!! LETS SEE SOME ACTION FILMAGE..............
Kitfox IV will do that plus take off in 1'/2 the distance ? unless they with over 700 lbs of course. <WiNK>
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2778 Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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As John McBean has stated before, he doesn't monitor this group every
day, so questions put to him directly here might not reach him. It is
best to address him at his business address via email or the phone.
Here is the info.....
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:49 AM, dave wrote:
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Well the original ad read
MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY • $40,000 • OFFERED FOR SALE •
Manufacturing Opportunity: All rights, tooling, jigs for kitfox
lite single seat a/c. Inc 2 kits. • Contact Michael Berglund,
Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA • Telephone: 602-684-1527
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New ad reads the same but WITHOUT the KITFOX name attached.......
gee I wonder why ? Still my concern is that one ofhte Kitofx
aircraft partners is selling out part of the Kitfox name and
business plus he is selling his own Kitfox and his Baron. John Mc
Bean -- Did you ever answer why one of your partners was selling
out ? I am totally supportive of you but this raise some concern
for me. ? Or should it ?
Dave
MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY • $40,000 • BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
OFFERED • All rights, tooling, jigs for single seat ultra lite a/
c. Over 200 in field, Incl. 2 complete kits. • Contact Michael
Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA • Telephone:
602-684-1527 • Posted August 3, 2008 • Show all Ads posted by
this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email
Advertiser • Save to Watchlist • Report This Ad
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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 1382
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that about 10 days ago before i left to float plane country. Still wondering why one of his partners is selling out. Don;t you ?
Dave
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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dave wrote:
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Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that about
10 days ago before i left to float plane country. Still wondering
why one of his partners is selling out. Don;t you ?
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Dave,
Why do you keep insisting that this is/was one of John's partners? I
think that John already replied that the Kitfox Lite is an ultralight
powered by an engine that is no longer available. To keep it a legal
ultralight, an engine with the power/weight of the original is required.
As far as I know, John is not involved with ultralights; however, if you
really want to know go to John directly as Lynn suggested.
Regards,
Dennis
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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 1382
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Dennis. Look like the gentleman Michael Berglund has now been REMOVED from the aboutus page at Kitfox aircraft website.
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Mike Berglund is a retired businessman that is currently flying a King Air and a Barron. Although he enjoys flying the twins his true love is his Series 5 Vixen and his Series 7
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Shows up on Google now http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:XIRy-MJwzBsJ:www.kitfoxaircraft.com/about_us.htm+KITFOX+AIRCRAFt+ABOUT+US&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
But yet Mcbean has had him removed from his page and I guess this is not up for public discussion?
His page now reflect that one of the original partners is not listed ? http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/about_us.htm
Was there a falling out ? Is there any other trouble brewing ?
Just a few red flags to me anyhow likely nothing and yah te Lite was a Ultralight but what about the Lite squared ? ?
I just ask for answers that is all, obviously something is being hid from the Kitfox community.
Dave
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2778 Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of
about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in
the lurch. At least this was my understanding.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster
Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs
Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try." (Pink
Floyd..."Learning to Fly")
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On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:01 PM, dave wrote:
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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 1382
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Quote: | I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of
about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in
the lurch. At least this was my understanding.
Lynn Matteson |
Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ? I remember when Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money but yet many supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came out. Like I said I have bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles. I have talked to John in the past and he a nice guy. I just want some questions answered and nothing happening here but yet planes , Kits and rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has now been removed from the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website.
WHY ?
Dave
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Not sure how relevent this is. When my shop decieded not to service R-12 systems
anymore, we sold our equipment for that purpose, we were busy with other services.
When I bought out a partner 9 years ago, he took the brand new shop truck as part of
the deal...again the shop was in great shape. Please don't start this on a public
forum, just call John or leave it alone.
Kevin Cozik
series 6-7
914 Turbo
Czech floats
Lansing MI
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Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ? I remember when
Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money but yet many
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supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came out. Like I said I have
bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles. I have talked to John in the past
and he a nice guy. I just want some questions answered and nothing happening here
but yet planes , Kits and rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has now
been removed from the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Dave, You think this is a subject for a public forum, I do not.
I think you are just trying to cause trouble. If you check
with the State of Idaho you will see that Kitfox Aircraft llc
is owned 100% by John and Debra McBean. John was just showing
respect and gratitude for the help we gave him, that's why he
left our bio's up. The ultralite was never part of Kitfox's
business plan for reasons John gave you. "Things" are not
changing. I can assure you, Kitfox Aircraft is debt free and
growing. I advised John to stay above any gossip, if anyone has
questions they are welcome to talk to him directly. Public
forums are not the place to discuss business decisions.
Phil Laker
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> I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of
> about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in
> the lurch. At least this was my understanding.
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> Lynn Matteson
Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ? I remember
when Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money
but yet many supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came
out. Like I said I have bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles.
I have talked to John in the past and he a nice guy. I just want some
questions answered and nothing happening here but yet planes , Kits and
rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has now been removed from
the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website.
WHY ?
Dave
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dave

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Phil,
How nice for one of the other "about us" folks show up to not clarify things. You can advise anyone anything but the questions still remain un - answered.
MY question is then why is a person with no percentage ownership selling pasrt of the Kitfox Line ? You seem to be willing to answer other than the question asked so how about this and why did the ad change on Barnstormers? And Why is Mike Berglund vaporized off of the webpage ?
Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?
Dave
Quote: | Dave, You think this is a subject for a public forum, I do not.
I think you are just trying to cause trouble. If you check
with the State of Idaho you will see that Kitfox Aircraft llc
is owned 100% by John and Debra McBean. John was just showing
respect and gratitude for the help we gave him, that's why he
left our bio's up. The ultralite was never part of Kitfox's
business plan for reasons John gave you. "Things" are not
changing. I can assure you, Kitfox Aircraft is debt free and
growing. I advised John to stay above any gossip, if anyone has
questions they are welcome to talk to him directly. Public
forums are not the place to discuss business decisions.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Dave
Why don't you just knock it off about this subject? You seem to be the only
one interested so, go direct to John, get your answer and leave this forum
to building, modifying and flying.
Thank you
Ted Palamarek
KF IV/912UL
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> I don"t think it is any of our busness.
Dee Young
Model II
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Dave sez:
Quote: | Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY
IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?
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Because the business affairs of others are none of your business.
This topic is done.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Administrator
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Mike, you can overstep and close the topic but the question remains and KitfoxAircraft will not answer. Have to make you wonder why ?
I will stop posting about this but hopefully someone can answer these questions.
By the way it is our business as Kitfoxes are part of all of us that own,build and fly them.
Dave
Quote: | Dave sez:
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Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY
IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?
Because the business affairs of others are none of your business.
This topic is done.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Administrator
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale |
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Dave,
I apologize for being short in my previous message. The only people
that can answer questions about the internal affairs of Kitfox
Aircraft LLC are those involved. As Mr. McBean has repeatedly
mentioned, this list is not a reliable way to communicate with the
company, they should be contacted directly. The people on this list
have no more information than you do, so there is no point to
continuing this thread.
Starting rumors, casting doubt on the company's health or speculating
about the reasons that the principals may come and go benefits nobody
and has the potential to hurt the company and its customers. While
we all have a vested interest in the well-being of the product line
and the company that produces it, these are private individuals
making private decisions about their investment in a private company.
If they choose to make public disclosures about their activities that
is their prerogative.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Administrator
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Mike, you can overstep and close the topic but the question remains
and KitfoxAircraft will not answer. Have to make you wonder why ?
I will stop posting about this but hopefully someone can answer
these questions.
By the way it is our business as Kitfoxes are part of all of us that
own,build and fly them.
Dave
> Dave sez:
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> Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY
> IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?
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> Because the business affairs of others are none of your business.
> This topic is done.
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> Mike G.
> Kitfox List Administrator
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