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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Some guys say their videos sell Kitfoxes, but I say it was my pylon  

turns, and slipping into a landing recently at Oshkosh in front of  

thousands of adoring fans that opened the floodgates of orders for  

new aircraft at Kitfox Aircraft LLC (www.kitfoxaircraft.com)  (wink,  

wink)



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200

Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try."  (Pink  

Floyd..."Learning to Fly")

do not archive





On Aug 14, 2008, at 7:04 AM, dave wrote:



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> The Kitfox 7 Super Sport has been for sale for the past couple of  

> years... It is a tail dragger or tricycle gear, whichever you  

> choose with great STOL performance. I talked to a guy that visited  

> the factory in Idaho recently and he said everything was great. He  

> was so positively impressed with the John, the factory, and the  

> plane that he bought a Kitfox Super Sport kit and is now building it

>

> Mike

>

 Mike , I cannot say that a Super sport is a STOL aircraft as I have  

 never flown one or see and video on one.  If it is a STOL aircraft  

 then Mc BEan should be shooting some video to help sell his  

 airplane like this guy did      http://ca.youtube.com/watch? 

 v=ct2fNFc8AxY



 I will tell you that my videos Have in fact sold many pilots on the  

 Kitfox and in fact have helped sell many used Kitfoxes.   Too bad  

 the Model IV is not sold new anymore as I think it would be a  

 stellar seller as we already know if built and flown right  it is a  

 stellar performer and would be close to a STOL aircraft.



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 http://www.cfisher.com/

 Realtime Kitfox movies to separate  the internet  chatter from the  

 truth

 http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer





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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

 	  Quote: 	
		  Some guys say their videos sell Kitfoxes, but I say it was my pylon 

turns, and slipping into a landing recently at Oshkosh in front of 

thousands of adoring fans that opened the floodgates of orders for 

new aircraft at Kitfox Aircraft LLC (www.kitfoxaircraft.com) (wink, 

wink) 

	


Kitfox aircraft did this ?   GREAT !!!!!!!!!   LETS SEE SOME ACTION FILMAGE.............. 



Kitfox IV will do that plus take off in 1'/2 the distance ?  unless they with over 700 lbs of course.    <WiNK>

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

As John McBean has stated before, he doesn't monitor this group every  

day, so questions put to him directly here might not reach him. It is  

best to address him at his business address via email or the phone.  

Here is the info.....



John & Debra McBean

Ph 208.337.5111

www.kitfoxaircraft.com

"The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground"

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs

Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try."  (Pink  

Floyd..."Learning to Fly")

do not archive





On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:49 AM, dave wrote:



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 Well the original ad  read

 MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY • $40,000 • OFFERED FOR SALE •  

 Manufacturing Opportunity: All rights, tooling, jigs for kitfox  

 lite single seat a/c. Inc 2 kits. • Contact Michael Berglund,  

 Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA • Telephone: 602-684-1527  

 •



 New ad reads the same but WITHOUT the KITFOX name attached.......  

 gee I wonder why ?  Still my concern is that one ofhte Kitofx  

 aircraft partners is selling out part of the Kitfox name and  

 business plus he is selling his own Kitfox and his Baron.   John Mc  

 Bean -- Did you ever answer why one of your partners was selling  

 out ?  I am totally supportive of you but this raise some concern  

 for me. ?  Or should it ?



 Dave



 MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITY • $40,000 • BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY  

 OFFERED • All rights, tooling, jigs for single seat ultra lite a/ 

 c. Over 200 in field, Incl. 2 complete kits. • Contact Michael  

 Berglund, Owner - located Fountain Hills , AZ USA • Telephone:  

 602-684-1527 • Posted August 3, 2008 • Show all Ads posted by  

 this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email  

 Advertiser • Save to Watchlist • Report This Ad



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 Flying Videos and Kitfox Info

 http://www.cfisher.com/

 Realtime Kitfox movies to separate  the internet  chatter from the  

 truth

 http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer





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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that about 10 days ago before i left to float plane country.  Still wondering why one of his partners is selling out. Don;t you ? 



Dave

dgolden(at)golden-consult
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

dave wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that about

 10 days ago before i left to float plane country.  Still wondering

 why one of his partners is selling out. Don;t you ?


	


Dave,



Why do you keep insisting that this is/was one of John's partners? I

think that John already replied that the Kitfox Lite is an ultralight

powered by an engine that is no longer available. To keep it a legal

ultralight, an engine with the power/weight of the original is required.



As far as I know, John is not involved with ultralights; however, if you

really want to know go to John directly as Lynn suggested.



Regards,



Dennis

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Dennis Golden

Golden Consulting Services, Inc.

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Dennis.  Look like the gentleman Michael Berglund has now been REMOVED from the aboutus page at Kitfox aircraft website. 

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Mike Berglund is a retired businessman that is currently flying a King Air and a Barron. Although he enjoys flying the twins his true love is his Series 5 Vixen and his Series 7

	




Shows up on Google now  http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:XIRy-MJwzBsJ:www.kitfoxaircraft.com/about_us.htm+KITFOX+AIRCRAFt+ABOUT+US&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

 But yet Mcbean has had him removed from his page and I guess this is not up for public discussion?  

His page now reflect that one of the original partners is not listed ? http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/about_us.htm



Was there a falling out ? Is there any other trouble brewing ? 



Just a few red flags to me anyhow likely nothing and yah te Lite was a Ultralight but what about the Lite squared ?  ?  



I just ask for answers that is all,   obviously something is being hid from the Kitfox community. 



Dave 



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of  

about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in  

the lurch. At least this was my understanding.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster

Jabiru 2200, 562 hrs and holding for repairs

Status: "Condition grounded, but determined to try."  (Pink  

Floyd..."Learning to Fly")

do not archive





On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:01 PM, dave wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Lynn thanks for the input on John not responding. I posted that  

 about 10 days ago before i left to float plane country.  Still  

 wondering why one of his partners is selling out. Don;t you ?



 Dave



 --------

 Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada

 Flying Videos and Kitfox Info

 http://www.cfisher.com/

 Realtime Kitfox movies to separate  the internet  chatter from the  

 truth

 http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer





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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

 	  Quote: 	
		  I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of 

about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in 

the lurch. At least this was my understanding. 



Lynn Matteson 	




Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ?  I remember when Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money but yet many supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came out.  Like I said I have bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles. I have talked to John in the past and he a nice guy. I just want some questions answered and nothing happening here but yet planes , Kits and rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has now been removed from the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website. 

WHY ? 



Dave

kcozik(at)cablespeed.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Not sure how relevent this is.  When my shop decieded not to service R-12 systems 

anymore, we sold our equipment for that purpose, we were busy with other services.  

When I bought out a partner 9 years ago, he took the brand new shop truck as part of 

the deal...again the shop was in great shape.  Please don't start this on a public 

forum, just call John or leave it alone.

Kevin Cozik

series 6-7

914 Turbo

Czech floats

Lansing MI



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Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ?  I remember when 

Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money but yet many 
	


supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came out.  Like I said I have 

bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles. I have talked to John in the past 

and he a nice guy. I just want some questions answered and nothing happening here 

but yet planes , Kits and rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has now 

been removed from the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website. 

 	  Quote: 	
		  WHY ? 



Dave



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Flying Videos and Kitfox Info

http://www.cfisher.com/

Realtime Kitfox movies to separate  the internet  chatter from the truth  

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos\?user=kitfoxflyer





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phil(at)lakercustom.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Dave, You think this is a subject for a public forum, I do not.

I think you are just trying to cause trouble.  If you check

with the State of Idaho you will see that Kitfox Aircraft llc

is owned 100% by John and Debra McBean.  John was just showing

respect and gratitude for the help we gave him, that's why he

left our bio's up.  The ultralite was never part of Kitfox's

business plan for reasons John gave you.   "Things" are not

changing. I can assure you, Kitfox Aircraft is debt free and

growing.  I advised John to stay above any gossip, if anyone has

questions they are welcome to talk to him directly.  Public

forums are not the place to discuss business decisions.



Phil Laker



 	  Quote: 	
		   

> I think that plane was no longer part of the "kitfox empire" as of

> about the time that Frank Miller went into hiding and left people in

> the lurch. At least this was my understanding.

>

> Lynn Matteson

 Yup and now things are changing and no one talking about it ?  I remember

 when Miller and Skystar left the scene with all the good people's money

 but yet many supported them to the day that the Chapter 11 filings came

 out.  Like I said I have bought from Kitfox aircraft and had no troubles.

 I have talked to John in the past and he a nice guy. I just want some

 questions answered and nothing happening here but yet planes , Kits and

 rights are for sale by a partner but the partner has now been removed from

 the ad for planes for sale from the Kitfox website.

 WHY ?



 Dave



 --------

 Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada

 Flying Videos and Kitfox Info

 http://www.cfisher.com/

 Realtime Kitfox movies to separate  the internet  chatter from the truth

 http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer





 Read this topic online here:



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Phil, 



How nice for one of the other "about us" folks show up to not clarify things.  You can advise anyone anything but the questions still remain un - answered. 



MY question is then why is a person with no percentage ownership selling pasrt of the Kitfox Line ?   You seem to be willing to answer other than the question asked so how about this  and why did the ad change on Barnstormers? And Why is Mike Berglund vaporized off of the webpage ?



Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ? 



Dave 



 



 	  Quote: 	
		  Dave, You think this is a subject for a public forum, I do not. 

I think you are just trying to cause trouble. If you check 

with the State of Idaho you will see that Kitfox Aircraft llc 

is owned 100% by John and Debra McBean. John was just showing 

respect and gratitude for the help we gave him, that's why he 

left our bio's up. The ultralite was never part of Kitfox's 

business plan for reasons John gave you. "Things" are not 

changing. I can assure you, Kitfox Aircraft is debt free and 

growing. I advised John to stay above any gossip, if anyone has 

questions they are welcome to talk to him directly. Public 

forums are not the place to discuss business decisions. 



Phil Laker

temco(at)telusplanet.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Dave



Why don't you just knock it off about this subject? You seem to be the only

one interested so, go direct to John, get your answer and leave this forum

to building, modifying and flying.



Thank you



Ted Palamarek

KF IV/912UL



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henrysfork1(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I don"t think it is any of our busness.

  

 Dee Young

 Model II

  

 Do not archive

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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Dave sez:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY 

IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?


	


Because the business affairs of others are none of your business. 

This topic is done.



Mike G.

Kitfox List Administrator

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Mike, you can overstep and close the topic but the question remains and KitfoxAircraft will not answer.  Have to make you wonder why ? 

I will stop posting about this but hopefully someone can answer these questions. 



By the way it is our business as Kitfoxes are part of all of us that own,build and fly them.  

Dave 



 	  Quote: 	
		  Dave sez: 



Quote: 

Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY 

IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ? 

 



Because the business affairs of others are none of your business. 

This topic is done. 



Mike G. 

Kitfox List Administrator

MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Part of the Kitfox Line for sale

Dave,



I apologize for being short in my previous message.  The only people 

that can answer questions about the internal affairs of Kitfox 

Aircraft LLC are those involved.  As Mr. McBean has repeatedly 

mentioned, this list is not a reliable way to communicate with the 

company, they should be contacted directly.  The people on this list 

have no more information than you do, so there is no point to 

continuing this thread.



Starting rumors, casting doubt on the company's health or speculating 

about the reasons that the principals may come and go benefits nobody 

and has the potential to hurt the company and its customers.  While 

we all have a vested interest in the well-being of the product line 

and the company that produces it, these are private individuals 

making private decisions about their investment in a private company. 

If they choose to make public disclosures about their activities that 

is their prerogative.



Mike G.

Kitfox List Administrator

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Mike, you can overstep and close the topic but the question remains 

and KitfoxAircraft will not answer.  Have to make you wonder why ?

I will stop posting about this but hopefully someone can answer 

these questions.



By the way it is our business as Kitfoxes are part of all of us that 

own,build and fly them. 

Dave

>  Dave sez:

>

>  Quote:

>  Trust me , I have got dozens of emails now asking me the same --WHY

>  IS THIS NOT BEING ADDRESSED ?

> 

>

>  Because the business affairs of others are none of your business.

>  This topic is done.

>

>  Mike G.

>  Kitfox List Administrator

>

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