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robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: Efis Question

Hello:

I am considering buying the Efis-D10A,  For those with this unit,

question 1-  Do you find it, to work proplerly, and  are you happy with

it.



2-  How difficult is to connect.   I am tired of working under that

     crowded space,,,,All I need  would be basic fuctions...



     NO G or anyof the options...



     Does any one has the schematic, drawings for connection..



    it shows a 25 pin connector....do I have to have  25 wires????



Finally,  when installing this unit, what instruments one remove

from the pannel....I believe the Attitud Ind. is out??



What happens if the unit fails?  one would be without a very essential

tool..... for safety etc...



Your comments and suggestions appreciated...

Bert



rv6a



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bobbyhester(at)newwavecom
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Efis Question

I have it and yes it works great! Not real hard to connect, you'll have 

to tee into the pitot and static lines, and run a few wires (not 25). 

You can see how I have mine in my panel in the attached pictures. The G 

meter is just an option that is available and does not require any thing 

extra to install. The second picture I attached is the optional screen 

you can bring up if you have a Garmin GPS wired into it.



----

Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY

Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/



bert murillo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hello:

 I am considering buying the Efis-D10A,  For those with this unit,

 question 1-  Do you find it, to work proplerly, and  are you happy with

 it.



 2-  How difficult is to connect.   I am tired of working under that

      crowded space,,,,All I need  would be basic fuctions...



      NO G or anyof the options...



      Does any one has the schematic, drawings for connection..



     it shows a 25 pin connector....do I have to have  25 wires????



 Finally,  when installing this unit, what instruments one remove

 from the pannel....I believe the Attitud Ind. is out??



 What happens if the unit fails?  one would be without a very essential

 tool..... for safety etc...



 Your comments and suggestions appreciated...

 Bert



 rv6a



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carl.froehlich(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Efis Question

Bert,



I replaced an electric RC Allen AI with the D10A.  I feed it with the serial

output from my GX-60 GPS nav/comm, and will also feed it from a SL-30

nav/comm when I save up a few more pennies.



In short, the D10A has done everything Dynon advertises it would do, and

considering the continuous (and free) software upgrades from Dynon I expect

it will do more in the future.  The D10A is about the best bang for the buck

as you can get.



Some thoughts:

1.  Get the EDC D10A remote compass.  While I flew with just the internal

compass for a few months and found it to work well, the external compass is

far easier to calibrate and it is required if you want to input outside air

temperature into the D10A.  With outside air temperature the D10A provides

continuous True Air Speed indication as well as wind direction and wind

speed.  I find I use this wind information far more than I expected and now

would not want to be without it. 

2.  As I have dual batteries I did not get the battery backup.  Your install

may be different.

3.  As I only removed the AI to install the D10A, I still have all the

standard steam gauges (air speed, altitude, vertical speed).  Considering

the minor cost, I would recommend having these standard instruments in the

panel along with the D10A.

4.  The HSI function works just as good as a standard HSI.

5.  If you are going to use the D10A for glide slope and localizer

indication, you should consider getting two D10As.  That way you can keep

the normal display up on one and HSI on the other.  Considering the cost of

a CDI head these day, a second D10A make a whole lot more sense than putting

a standalone CDI in the panel.

6.  If you can solder wires to a D connector, you can install the D10A.

7.  Dynon has a list of known GPS and Nav radios that customer report

working with the D10A.  You should call them to see if what you are planning

to feed it is on the list or not.  

8.  While the D10A does not need GPS input to work, the GPS input provides

the data to compute wind speed and direction.  Either a GPS or a Nav input

is needed of course for HSI functions.

9.  I have a Navaid wing level for my autopilot.  When it dies I'll get the

Dynon servo and feed it off the D10A.  Again the best bang for the buck for

an autopilot. 



Carl Froehlich

RV-8A (450 hrs)

RV-10 (fuselage)



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marty_away(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: Efis Question

FWIW C Talking with the DYNON president at AirVenture C he stated they are trying to add synthetic vision to their system next year.

  

 Marty Heller

 RV-7 C fitting canopy

 

[quote] From: carl.froehlich(at)cox.net

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Efis Question

 Date: Fri C 5 Sep 2008 22:47:55 -0400

 

 --> RV-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net>

 

 Bert C

 

 I replaced an electric RC Allen AI with the D10A. I feed it with the serial

 output from my GX-60 GPS nav/comm C and will also feed it from a SL-30

 nav/comm when I save up a few more pennies.

 

 In short C the D10A has done everything Dynon advertises it would do C and

 considering the continuous (and free) software upgrades from Dynon I expect

 it will do more in the future. The D10A is about the best bang for the buck

 as you can get.

 

 Some thoughts:

 1. Get the EDC D10A remote compass. While I flew with just the internal

 compass for a few months and found it to work well C the external compass is

 far easier to calibrate and it is required if you want to input outside air

 temperature into the D10A. With outside air temperature the D10A provides

 continuous True Air Speed indication as well as wind direction and wind

 speed. I find I use this wind information far more than I expected and now

 would not want to be without it. 

 2. As I have dual batteries I did not get the battery backup. Your install

 may be different.

 3. As I only removed the AI to install the D10A C I still have all the

 standard steam gauges (air speed C altitude C vertical speed). Considering

 the minor cost C I would recommend having these standard instruments in the

 panel along with the D10A.

 4. The HSI function works just as good as a standard HSI.

 5. If you are going to use the D10A for glide slope and localizer

 indication C you should consider getting two D10As. That way you can keep

 the normal display up on one and HSI on the other. Considering the cost of

 a CDI head these day C a second D10A make a whole lot more sense than putting

 a standalone CDI in the panel.

 6. If you can solder wires to a D connector C you can install the D10A.

 7. Dynon has a list of known GPS and Nav radios that customer report

 working with the D10A. You should call them to see if what you are planning

 to feed it is on the list or not. 

 8. While the D10A does not need GPS input to work C the GPS input provides

 the data to compute wind speed and direction. Either a GPS or a Nav input

 is needed of course for HSI functions.

 9. I have a Navaid wing level for my autopilot. When it dies I'll get the

 Dynon servo and feed it off the D10A. Again the best bang for the buck for

 an autopilot. 

 

 Carl Froehlich

 RV-8A (450 hrs)

 RV-10 (fuselage)

 

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robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Efis Question

Bobby : Again thanks for the reply.. have a question,  do you have any schematic

 drawing shoing the wiring, the way you did it?

  

 It would be a great help to see how it is done...

  

 thanks

 Bert



--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net>

Subject: Re: Efis Question

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:07 PM



 	  Quote: 	
		  I have it and yes it works great! Not real hard to connect, you'll have 

to tee into the pitot and static lines, and run a few wires (not 25). 

You can see how I have mine in my panel in the attached pictures. The G 

meter is just an option that is available and does not require any thing 

extra to install. The second picture I attached is the optional screen 

you can bring up if you have a Garmin GPS wired into it.



----

Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY

Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/



bert murillo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV-List message posted by: bert murillo

<robertrv607(at)yahoo.com>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Hello:

 I am considering buying the Efis-D10A,  For those with this unit,

 question 1-  Do you find it, to work proplerly, and  are you happy with

 it.



 2-  How difficult is to connect.   I am tired of working under that

      crowded space,,,,All I need  would be basic fuctions...



      NO G or anyof the options...



      Does any one has the schematic, drawings for connection..



     it shows a 25 pin connector....do I have to have  25 wires????



 Finally,  when installing this unit, what instruments one remove

 from the pannel....I believe the Attitud Ind. is out??



 What happens if the unit fails?  one would be without a very essential

 tool..... for safety etc...



 Your comments and suggestions appreciated...

 Bert



 rv6a



 Do not Archive

       

   

	
	

	


         [quote][b]

sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Efis Question

bert murillo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Bobby : Again thanks for the reply.. have a question,  do you have any schematic

 drawing shoing the wiring, the way you did it?

  

 It would be a great help to see how it is done...

  

 thanks

 Bert


	


Dynon installation manual with all wiring schematics and pinouts can be 

downloaded here:



http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Install_Guides/EFIS-D10A%20Installation%20Guide.pdf



In particular see section 2, "Wiring Overview".



Sam Buchanan

robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Efis Question

Sam: Thanks for the info.   One question, when I make the harness,  at least I

 hope I can,,, hate to pay $200 plus for one....is better to use all the pins,

 that is connect all 25 wires, even if I do not need them... or should I save myself

 a lot of work, and use only the minimun required.. to connect the unit....

  

 your suggestions will be appreciated as always.

  

 Bert

 rv6a

           



--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>

Subject: Re: Efis Question

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 2:51 PM



 	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>



bert murillo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Bobby : Again thanks for the reply.. have a question,  do you have any

schematic
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   drawing shoing the wiring, the way you did it?

  

 It would be a great help to see how it is done...

  

 thanks

 Bert


	


Dynon installation manual with all wiring schematics and pinouts can be 

downloaded here:



http://www.dynonavionics.com/downloads/Install_Guides/EFIS-D10A%20Installation%20Guide.pdf



In particular see section 2, "Wiring Overview".



Sam Buchanan





	
	


         [quote][b]

sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: Efis Question

bert murillo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Sam: Thanks for the info.   One question, when I make the harness,

 at least I hope I can,,, hate to pay $200 plus for one....is better

 to use all the pins, that is connect all 25 wires, even if I do not

 need them... or should I save myself a lot of work, and use only the

 minimun required.. to connect the unit....

 

 your suggestions will be appreciated as always.

 

 Bert rv6a


	


Bert, I would use only the pins necessary to make the connections you need.



Sam Buchanan

robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Efis Question

Thanks

  

 bert



--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>

Subject: Re: Efis Question

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:16 PM



 	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>



bert murillo wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Sam: Thanks for the info.   One question, when I make the harness,

 at least I hope I can,,, hate to pay $200 plus for one....is better

 to use all the pins, that is connect all 25 wires, even if I do not

 need them... or should I save myself a lot of work, and use only the

 minimun required.. to connect the unit....

 

 your suggestions will be appreciated as always.

 

 Bert rv6a


	


Bert, I would use only the pins necessary to make the connections you need.



Sam Buchanan





	
	


         [quote][b]

robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Efis question

Hi:

  

 I posted this before did not go thru...I try again..

  

 I will be ready soon to install my Efis..10-  the question is what happpens if this

 thing failed,  I understand I have to remove my Attitud Ind., if nothing else for

 lack of space, which is the case for me...now you would be without the most important 

 Indicator...specially under IMC,, 

  

 Would like to hear comments, for those with experience on this unit etc..

  

 Bert

  

 rv6a

  

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Bruce(at)glasair.org
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: Efis question

Probably  dead.

  

  

  

Bruce 

www.Glasair.org 

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robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Efis question

Bruce:

 you have a glassair?  any how what is the answer...



--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org> wrote:



 [quote]From: Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org>

Subject: RE: Efis question

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:15 PM



  Probably dead.

  

  

  

Bruce

 

www.Glasair.org

 

 



 [quote] 

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: Efis question

Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial  orientation

 and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will  enter

 uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead.

  

 People...think about what you are doing.

  

 Ron Lee

  

  

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jfogarty(at)tds.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Efis question

Ron,  That is  a great  point.

  

 Jim 

 RV9a building - MN

 [quote]   ---

dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Efis question

That is true whether it is an EFIS or a "steam gauge" attitude indicator that is your sole spatial orientation reference.



David Maib



On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote:

Ron,  That is  a great point.

 

Jim

RV9a building - MN

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tcone1(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Efis question

Since when is a loss of ADI or artificial horizon  an automatic trip to the morgue?

  

 Don't they teach "partial panel"  anymore?

  

  

 [quote]   ---

ronlee(at)pcisys.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: Efis question

Do you think that most people are competent at partial panel in IMC?

  

 The oroginal poster suggested that panel space was an issue which I find  

 hard to believe.

  

 Perhaps a good wing-leveler/autopilot might save you in you lost your  

 only attitude source.

  

 Ron Lee

 [quote]   ---

tcone1(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: Efis question

I'm really not trying to be snide, but if they  aren't competent at partial panel, what in the heck are they doing penetrating  IMC????   Betting their life that everything works?  I'll take  the odds in Vegas over that bet, any day.

  

 Training is a much better investment than ANY  gizmo.

  

 Tim Cone

 [quote]   ---

ronlee(at)pcisys.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: Efis question

Tim, look at accident reports and you will find that 75% or so of the  fatalities are due to pilot error.  

  

 You have running out of fuel.  

  

 You see flying into IMC when the pilot is not instrument  rated but had been trained on partial panel.

  

 The Seaside OR crash appears to be a guy of unknown (to me) qualifications  taking off into IMC.

  

 There was a plane that took off out of Steamboat Springs CO or close who  impacted terrain.

 The weather was not suitable for this VFR pilot to fly and possibly not for  any plane not certified

 for flight into icing conditions.  I have not seen the report but  would guess that it was gross

 pilot error.  A family killed because of pilot stupidity.

  

 You see all kinds of Darwinistic behavior.  Reality.  A gizmo  "may" make up for other system

 or human failures.  Better judgement and training are perhaps  better.

  

 The original poster needs to objectively assess his training, abilities and  judgement and plan

 accordingly.  Leaving out a alternate attitude reference that works  for him may get him killed.

 Adding a "gizmo" might save him.

  

 Ron Lee

  

  

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Efis question

I thought I didn't have a dog in this fight, but I do.  I have lost 

friends, and friends of friends, due to stupid pilot tricks.  Rarely 

does the airframe let us down.  That leaves two things .... the pilot, 

and his source of information.  There are times when no amount of 

information will save the pilots bacon ...... let's face it ..... we all 

do the stupid pilot tricks ..... and an old pilot is one that survives 

all of his (or her) stupid mistakes.  So far I'm a survivor.



Now, back to my dog.   I'm going to install the Odyssey panel 

(http://www.mglavionics.com/html/odyssey.html)

and am going through the process of choosing how I want to populate the 

rest of the panel with backup instruments for IFR.  By the time I 

purchase 2.5" gauges I can almost buy a small efis system, independent 

of the Odyssey.  My problem is .... I've never flown behind a glass 

panel ..... and don't have an IFR ticket (yet).  My partner has/does 

both ..... but for him there is a pilot and a copy of the left seat 

panel on the right side.  I've spent a fair amount of time pondering the 

question of which path to go ..... and I've been collecting a few 

pictures of others panel ..... which just turns my thought processes 

into a headache.  But I ramble ..... my question is this:  What did you 

choose for your IFR backup capability, and why did you go that 

route????  Would you go that same route today????

Linn

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Ron Lee wrote:

[quote] Tim, look at accident reports and you will find that 75% or so of the 

 fatalities are due to pilot error. 

  

 You have running out of fuel. 

  

 You see flying into IMC when the pilot is not instrument rated but had 

 been trained on partial panel.

  

 The Seaside OR crash appears to be a guy of unknown (to me) 

 qualifications taking off into IMC.

  

 There was a plane that took off out of Steamboat Springs CO or close 

 who impacted terrain.

 The weather was not suitable for this VFR pilot to fly and possibly 

 not for any plane not certified

 for flight into icing conditions.  I have not seen the report but 

 would guess that it was gross

 pilot error.  A family killed because of pilot stupidity.

  

 You see all kinds of Darwinistic behavior.  Reality.  A gizmo "may" 

 make up for other system

 or human failures.  Better judgement and training are perhaps better.

  

 The original poster needs to objectively assess his training, 

 abilities and judgement and plan

 accordingly.  Leaving out a alternate attitude reference that works 

 for him may get him killed.

 Adding a "gizmo" might save him.

  

 Ron Lee

  

  



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