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malpass

Joined: 27 Aug 2007
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Location: Marietta, Georgia

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: starters

I have a kitfox model III , 582 with the starter  mounted on the rear of the engine. The starter extends inward of the cabin and  the fabricated cover consist of sheet aluminum riveted together to create the  cover.  All of this fabrication is standard straight out of the  construction manual, so this should be a common scenario.  I am having  starter problems as the bendix gear will not completely engage but rather will  touch and make that common grizzly grinding sound. I have cleaned the bendix and  it rotates freely but still wont engage. I am trying to get the starter out but  the indications are that the engine needs to be slid forward and/or removed to  adequately service the starter. Any suggestions to ease my pain on this  project?

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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: starters

Remove the engine, remove the starter, then take it  apart.  More than likely you quickly see what the problem is.  Some of  the older 582s had flywheel gears that would come apart (break at the bolt  holes).

 Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP  397+ TT

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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: starters

For starters (pun intended<g>) - are you sure  you have a good fully charged battery? Low volts can do that too, and are far  easier to fix.

  

 Bob Brennan - N717GB

 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop

 Wrightsville Pa 

 

 

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 I have a kitfox model III , 582 with the starter  mounted on the rear of the engine. The starter extends inward of the cabin and  the fabricated cover consist of sheet aluminum riveted together to create the  cover.  All of this fabrication is standard straight out of the  construction manual, so this should be a common scenario.  I am having  starter problems as the bendix gear will not completely engage but rather will  touch and make that common grizzly grinding sound. I have cleaned the bendix and  it rotates freely but still wont engage. I am trying to get the starter out but  the indications are that the engine needs to be slid forward and/or removed to  adequately service the starter. Any suggestions to ease my pain on this  project?

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malpass

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Location: Marietta, Georgia

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: starters

battery is reading 12.8 volts which is lower than  what it should be (at about 13.8 v).  Do you think this is the  trouble?

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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: starters

I had a similar problem with an old battery, about 14 years  old. How old is yours? If not new it might be worth replacing just for sh*ts and  grins, especially if you think it is reading low. And what you are describing is  not a starter or gear problem, it's a solenoid or battery or alternator  problem.

  

  Bob Brennan - N717GB

 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA  Kitfox

 Rotax 582 with 3 blade  prop

 Wrightsville Pa 

  



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 battery is reading 12.8 volts which is lower than  what it should be (at about 13.8 v).  Do you think this is the  trouble?

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malpass

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Location: Marietta, Georgia

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: starters

Thanks-  I just found the  problem..............One of the 2 broken studs.  It allows the starter to  skew slightly off center when starting. Just shows that anything can go  wrong.

  

 Thanks for the  help....................

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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: starters

Bill  

 

I had the same set up - when you say the bendix rotates freely does it also move forward and engage the ring gear fully when you do it by hand - As I recall there is a small spring in the Bendix assembly - also the starter is mounted on a stack of rubbers and if the mounting bolts are over-torqued it will jam the Bendix assy. 

 

Unfortunately you may have to remove the engine - it's a bit of a pain but once you get into it, it only takes about 45 mins 

 

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Gary

 

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I have a kitfox model III , 582 with the starter mounted on the rear of the engine. The starter extends inward of the cabin and the fabricated cover consist of sheet aluminum riveted together to create the cover.  All of this fabrication is standard straight out of the construction manual, so this should be a common scenario.  I am having starter problems as the bendix gear will not completely engage but rather will touch and make that common grizzly grinding sound. I have cleaned the bendix and it rotates freely but still wont engage. I am trying to get the starter out but the indications are that the engine needs to be slid forward and/or removed to adequately service the starter. Any suggestions to ease my pain on this project? 



 

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malpass

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Location: Marietta, Georgia

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: starters

Thanks Gary, 

  

 I just found the problem..............One of the 2  broken studs.  It allows the starter to skew slightly off center when  starting. Just shows that anything can go wrong.

  

 Thanks for your input

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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: starters

On Mon, September 22, 2008 1:42 pm, Bill Malpass wrote:

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		   battery is reading 12.8 volts which is lower than what it should be (at about 13.8 v).

  Do you think this is the trouble?


	


Not too likely but charge it up and test first.



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