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LHusky(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: Rivets

I ordered my first 1,000 rivets from Zenith.  I see that Aircraft  Spruce 

also has the same rivet, with the same Avdel part number for half the  cost of 

Zenith.  Has anyone ordered these rivets to see if they are the  same.  Every 

detail of them seems to be the same.  

 

Thank you for the information 

 

Larry Husky 

Completing tail section this week

Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: Rivets

Larry 



Check the archives for the complex history of this topic. Basically you need

to be certain that your batch has been tested. Do this yourself or let

Zenith do it. 



Kevin Bonds



Nashville TN



601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.



Empennage done; working on wings and engine.



http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds



 



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shilocom(at)mcmsys.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: Rivets

Tested for WHAT?  Bob U.



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601zv(at)ritternet.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Rivets

bird flu

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Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: Rivets

ZAC tests them to a certain strength. CH wrote about in a newsletter.

Kevin Bonds



Nashville TN



601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.



Empennage done; working on wings and engine.



http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds



 



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LHusky(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: Rivets

I could read all day in the archives.  Yes, this is probably the way  to do 

it, but I did not belong to the group then and there may be some more  insight 

on the subject now.  I would like a little more information on the  testing of 

the rivets.  Wouldn't all the rivets that come from Avdel be  same and would 

they not have thier own quality control department?  I will  search the 

archive as directed, but would still like some information from  anyone willing to 

share it. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Larry

shilocom(at)mcmsys.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: Rivets

PASSED.   bOB u.



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Kevin Bonds

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Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: Rivets

Larry,



Sorry if I came off as annoyed, just can't find time to give a complete

answer at the moment.  Just do a search for "avex made in China" or

something you'll get the info. Basically Textron has begun making our rivets

in China (as opposed to UK) as of late. Jury is still out on reliability of

Quality. I'm still using UK rivets that CH recommends. When it comes time

I'll test as per Newsletter--can't remember which # (maybe someone else will

chime in on that) diagram. The newsletter # may be in the archives as well. 



Kevin Bonds



Nashville TN



601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.



Empennage done; working on wings and engine.



http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds



 



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Jari Kaija

Joined: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 69

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:18 am Post subject: Rivets

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		   I'll test as per Newsletter--can't remember which # (maybe someone else

will
	




    If someone has this Newsletter and scanner, I really want to get

that article by email for educational purposes.



No, I haven't anykind problem with my rivets, which are NOT avdel

avex (I use much stronger POP rivets from Emhart, even I have to use

many different lenghts of them), but I'm curious, how THEY do all tests.



jari.kaija(at)pp.inet.fi

aeroads(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: Rivets

Potential new builder of an 801 with a rivet question.....I've searched the archives for reference to using solid driven rivets rather than pulled and not found any discussion      Has anyone used driven rivets      or those along in the project see any compelling reason not to use driven rivets     Murray  Myricks Airport MA

zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: Rivets

Murray, this question has popped up before, using solid rivets will only

strengthen the area in which you use and will not strengthen the design.

The speed gain in an 801 will be less then 0.2mph but you will add

another 1000hrs to your build time and need a partner for most of the

process. The choice is ultimately yours but I really can't fathom any

reason or desire to solid rivet a STOL aircraft. In fact it makes little

sense to solid rivet any design that fly's at less then 200mph.



Mark Townsend  Alma, Ontario

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com



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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: Rivets

Murray,



I am building an 801. I might use countersunk rivets on my fuselage sides 

just for looks. Although when I get to them, I really will probably use 

"pop" rivets. I have used both kinds on other projects and the only reason I 

can see to use them on an 801 is for looks. If you use the domed head driven 

rivets, you end up with the same appearance. So, since there is no 

advantage, strengthwise, do what ever you want. My opinion is, it's your 

plane, do what you want.



Dave in Salem

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Rivets

On a slow plane like the 801 (and I doubt it would make hardly any

difference on a 601XL either) I can't see any reason other than

aesthetics for going for solid rivets.



They take a LOT! more time to set (and some skill...larger scew up

factor), needs lots of expensive tools (buy an ex RV builder dinner for

him and his Wife!) and need access to both sides of the rivet.



Its up to you if this is worth it to you...For me it would not.



I assume you can drop down one size if using solid rivets...I.e an AN4

pop rivet would be replaced with an AN3 C/s rivet...after you have

dimpled both parts of course. This would make it a lot easier.



Frank

601 HDS 394 hours



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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: Rivets

Potential new builder of an 801 with a rivet question.....I've searched the 

archives for reference to using solid driven rivets rather than pulled and not 

found any discussion      Has anyone used driven rivets      or those along in 

the project see any compelling reason not to use driven rivets     Murray  

Myricks Airport MA



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Brad Maynard down in Texas is building an 801 and he is using bucked rivets in most of his plane. Look for his email address on the "builders on the web" site in the ZAC 801 section. He and his wife were out here in Jackson Hole last fall and I gave them both a ride in my 801 thrill show...... They are good poeple..

 

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For all you computer experts out there I have a dilemma. I had AOL for years and answering topics was easy, I just pasted the stuff I wanted to and it automatically added the > thing and I replied to the question. Now I have Netzero and it not only doesn't do the > thing, it doubles everything I type and that is really ticking me off.  Please help me for I am NOT computer friendly..... Thanks in advance.

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Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



Potential new builder of an 801 with a rivet question.....I've searched the 

archives for reference to using solid driven rivets rather than pulled and not 

found any discussion Has anyone used driven rivets or those along in 

the project see any compelling reason not to use driven rivets Murray 

Myricks Airport MA



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Brad Maynard down in Texas is building an 801 and he is using bucked rivets in most of his plane. Lookfor his emailaddresson the "builders on the web" site in the ZAC 801 section. He and his wife were out here in Jackson Hole last fall and I gave them both a ride in my 801 thrill show...... They are good poeple..



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For all you computer experts out there I have a dilemma. I had AOL for years and answering topics was easy, I just pasted the stuffI wanted to and it automatically added the  thing andI replied to the question. Now I have Netzero and it not only doesn't do the  thing, it doubleseverythingI typeand that is really ticking me off. Please help me for I am NOT computer friendly..... Thanks in advance.





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BenHaas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com

jfmasell(at)optonline.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: Rivets

I have to agree. I actually found riveting to be an enjoyable job with my

pneumatic riveter. Even the hand riveter is satisfying to use. Also using

the standard blind rivets is much quicker and there are quite a few on the

801! 

John Maselli



A Computer Consulting



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steveadams

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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Rivets

I don't know why you would want to, but I don't see any reason you couldn't use bucked rivets.  I'm not an engineer, but I would be a little cautious installing the rivets flush with countersinking. The tensile strength of the joint could be affected. The tensile strength may be limited as much by the thin skins we use as by the actual rivet strength, so a bucked flush rivet may be no stronger than a pulled flush rivet in tension. It may even be weaker than a domed pulled rivet.

lenabeto(at)uol.com.br
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: Rivets

Hi Murray,



I'm building a Zodiac Xl 601 all with flush head rivets.

It's hard, but it's getting beautiful.

The hardest thing was the body and the tail.

The wing were easier.

I built a dimple machine and it helped me a lot.

I'll send you some pictures of teh Zodiac.



Best regards,



Roberto Brito  S=E3o Paulo -- Brazil

Zodiac XL 601--Jab 3300 serial number 6096 -70%

Stol Ch 701 serial number 6342

ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: Rivets

Hi Roberto,

   

  Please send a couple to

   

  http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/

   

  I will be glad to see your work.

   

  Saludos

  Gary Gower

  Flying from Chapala, Mexico.

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"Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito" <lenabeto(at)uol.com.br> wrote:

  



Hi Murray,



I'm building a Zodiac Xl 601 all with flush head rivets.

It's hard, but it's getting beautiful.

The hardest thing was the body and the tail.

The wing were easier.

I built a dimple machine and it helped me a lot.

I'll send you some pictures of teh Zodiac.



Best regards,



Roberto Brito S=E3o Paulo -- Brazil

Zodiac XL 601--Jab 3300 serial number 6096 -70%

Stol Ch 701 serial number 6342

			

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David X

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Rivets

The aircraft designer intended pulled rivets; thus the numerous specs in the plans for a specific pitch. I imagine that you'll do a lot more work driving rivets instead of pulling them without a lot of added benefit. No offence intended ... but if you doubt the designer, maybe you aught to look for another plane. Just one man's opinion.

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