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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: Happy New Year II

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   You Go Dan Farmer!  If you want it, get off your ass and work for it.

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From:  Dan Farmer 

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:35:04 -0800 (PST)

To: <commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II

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It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting.  That was not my intention.  In fact I was surprised at some of the  responses.  So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking.  I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country.  Why would I think that?  Because that is what they are generally  whaling about.  Or  perhaps someone, even me, is  just misguided.

I  think that it might be  possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think.  Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate  issues-like death taxes.   Or maybe it is that I  have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life.  From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities  and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked.  Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone.  It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike.  Including most of the latest bailouts.  (Bush is no conservative)  It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it.  I do not understand.  It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment.

I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not  like anyone to speak but them. They  are  use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives.  They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education.  All the while railing about the lack of free speech.  Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host.  

I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one  who calls me "the perpetually  angry white wealthy guy".   I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global  warming.

I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it)  I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard.  Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy.

Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema  on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett 

Proud to be conservative!!

dan farmer

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Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject: Happy New Year II

Dan,  

   

Obviously the ATP Lear Jet and the Col-East type folks were offended.   

   

Apparently you should not have shared your “vast knowledge” and revealed to all you are a wealthy white guy who is angry (perpetual at that) and blaming everyone except for your fellow angry white guy buddies. (The ability to discern someone’s race, sustainability, sexual orientation, net worth, and temperament from an e-mail posting is a gift some liberals have. Contumely comes easy for some.)  

   

Hopefully these two have helped you realize you should dumb it down a little or at least wake up?  It will help if you can adopt a new mantra, “each according to his need”.  Just keep saying that over and over and over again.  Eventually you will feel better.  

   

Hang in there – because those of us who know you – really like you!  And most of us agree with you!  

   

Happy New Year!  

   

Bob  

AC-50, F1- Rocket, AX-8 Commercial Pilot  

Past Golden Rudder Pedal Recipient  

Currently searching for John Galt, $  

Fellow proud conservative  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer

 Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM

 To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Fw: Happy New Year II  

  

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It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my     Happy New Year posting.  That was not my intention.  In fact I     was surprised at some of the responses.  So I reread my own posting     and realized that I might have overstated my thinking.  I really     should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most     do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations     or feel this is just a mean and unfair country.  Why would I think     that?  Because that is what they are generally whaling about.  Or     perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided.

     

     I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that     I have too much time to think.  Or possibly since my Dad passed away     and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes.  Or maybe it     is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two     brothers most of my life.  From the age of 5 I have had     responsibilities  and expectations from my parents as to chores with     calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked.  Do not think I am     feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I     would not trade with anyone.  It is not that I mind liberals throwing     their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every     wacky cause that comes down the pike.  Including most of the latest     bailouts.  (Bush is no conservative)  It is when they want to     take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not     earned it.  I do not understand.  It seems to me when you tax     production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more     contentment.

     

     I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid     the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are  use to     having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television     in their court for most of our lives.  They hate fox news and shout     down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher     education.  All the while railing about the lack of free speech.      Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine     because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show     host.  

     

     I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one      who calls me "the perpetually  angry white wealthy guy".       I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I     probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would     most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them     off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both     sides of man made global warming.

     

     I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant     seem to get rid of it)  I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush     has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he     has done very well in that regard.  Even though he might have violated     the enemies privacy.

     

     Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your     thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema  on oxygen     while smoking a cigerrett 

     

     Proud to be conservative!!

     

     dan farmer

     

     

          

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

                   

   

   	
   

   

   

   

        

   

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gmosh(at)charter.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: Happy New Year II

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steve2(at)sover.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: Happy New Year II

Aww beans.....

  

 Dan I know enough farmers who were land poor to  know what you're talking about. When Kathie and I did our market gardening we  used some land of a friend of mine in New Hampshire who was a fifth generation  dairy farmer. The town was going to try to tax the manure composting pad as a  patio.

  

 Dan this is to you personally since now I've caused  you offense. As a farmer since a kid, you've worked harder than I have. But  nobody has ever handed me anything either. I helped out in my Dad's small  struggling company since 11 or so. I've never stopped working. The house we  built is on land I cleared. I was up late last night to feed the wood-fired oven  I built for my wife's little business so she could go to bed early and wake up  at 3:00am... I've just about finished adapting an old plow to put on the newer  truck because I can't afford a new one......Etc.. I work my ass off. That's  exactly how I took your posting...... I'm logging on to a Commander list and  here's a post telling me how I want a handout and how lazy I am. I'll likely  never see retirement. The policies that enrichened portfolios and made many  people wealthy, sold our manufacturing and now our white-collar work  overseas. The Republicans held the House and Senate for how many years? And this  is all the evil Democrats fault? Ridiculus.

  

 Since I've said it I've got explain it. And I  personally apologize to you. But there's millions of our own people in trouble.  Some of the poor work damned hard. It just seems like some of the people who  have it best, who have had every advantage the country could offer are the  angriest of people. Propaganda cuts both ways. Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh  are both entertainers who manipulate facts and create caricatures of an  opposite 'side' to stir passions and sell air time. A steady diet of either has  one coming to despise this 'other side'. Both of them start with some grain of  truth, but are often full of shit and vastly over-simplistic if you actually  look at the facts. Everything can only exist as polar opposites. 'Obama is  an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist'.... 'Barney Frank is responsible  for our country's financial meltdown'. I've seen Fox news putting on the  kookiest far lefties to knock down. The far left press is just as goofy. 'Bush  is evil'. Each side and each performer relies on demonizing others and relieving  the listener of responsibility. The extremes are unable to ackowledge a  rational center. The far left might seek to silence the far right, but the far  right has become more politically correct than left.

  

 It's not anyone's business, but I voted for  Democrats, Republicans and Independents in this last election because in each  case I thought they were the best for (at) the job. I would welcome genuine  conservatism. How these last eight years could be called conservative in almost  any respect is way beyond me. People mostly voted for Obama because he acquited  himself well through the campain, was intelligent, and appeared he might be able  to govern competantly.

  

 (P.S. I ain't Snow White. I watched my Father's  business struggle while others were eliglble for grants he couldn't get. I never  finshed school as others were given money and I was working full-time. The  company I work for is still competing unfairly against competant 'diasadvantaged' businesses. I think this stuff has run  it's course.)

  

 (P.P.S. I still ain't Snow White. I'm no better  than anyone else. I genuinely don't understand how those that claim to be  religious, square the tenants and teachings with what they do and  believe.)

  

 You may not want it from me, but I genuinely  wish you sir a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year.

  

 Steven Welebny

  

 (Opinions are mine, and not of the company I work  for.)

  

  

  

  

  

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steve2(at)sover.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: Happy New Year II

Mr. Bob Steele,

  

 My opinions are my own and not that of the company  I work for. That's important. They are good folks and we're actually quite  conservative and careful. (The area has its share of liberals, some more so than  others. These old mill and company towns really seemed to breed a working  class that thinks of companies as us and them.... Something of a union  mentality......Oops....Hehe.)

  

 I am not nearly as liberal as you think. You  wouldn't know a real one if they bit you in the butt.

  

 Most of the off topic political posts here are  'angry' and blame everyone else for the country's ills. I've never seen one  that says, 'boy was that dumb!'

  

 I actually like Dan. Milt too. (Thought hopefully  we won't have to fight first, before I can give him a hug.)

  

 Have a happy and good New Year.

  

 Steve

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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: Happy New Year II

Somebody finally got it right!!!!!  Finally!!  jb

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: Happy New Year II

Hi Steve,

  

 It was quite a revelation for me to realize that you are a  conservative at heart. We need you in the conservative camp, then, man. You  will notice I didn't say Republican camp, which should address many of the  things you raised. Evil Democrats? That would be a grossly unfair statement.  Evil liberals? Yes, that would be more accurate and they are found in all of our  institutions. If you correct your perception in that respect you will see the  difference between Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. The latter is more than 98%  factually accurate in his utterances, independently verified. I don't know  anyone (who matters) who said, "Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim  terrorist..." (a quotation of yours), so perhaps you are lending your ears to  hearsay. "Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown" is  more accurate although he wasn't alone in it. Your quotation lacks the names of  Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Franklin Raines, and so on. If you can describe  their forcing banks to provide loans to people who cannot pay it back as  anything other than socialism, I'd certainly like to hear what it is.  

  

 Just now legislators are considering increasing gasoline  taxes because the lower consumption caused lower tax revenues. Now, answer  me this: Did any of the agitators of lower gasoline usage consider the impact of  lower tax revenues when they agitated that SUV's should be banned because they  are gas-guzzlers? Or when they imposed a gas-guzzler tax on larger automobiles?  Or when they introduced CAFE standards which imposed crippling costs on  manufacturers? If they didn't they ought to be tarred and feathered and run out  of town for shear stupidity or incompetence. But these folks have degrees from  top notch schools, so it cannot be stupidity. Realistic people conclude that  there must be another motive for their actions. If you can name  another than a planned, deliberate move to bankrupt the economy so that it  can be brought under government guardianship and eventually socialism, it would  be interesting to hear it. Perhaps Obama's comment that we should "spread it  [the wealth] around" should give one a clue. Perhaps Barbara Boxer's comment to  socialize the economy is a clue. Perhaps Lyndon Johnson's "great society" which  consumed trillions of dollars with more people in poverty than before is a clue.  Perhaps Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and other liberals  defending Freddy Mac and Fanny May just before the crash, full-well knowing they  are sitting on trillions of dollars of toxic assets, is a clue; utterances that  caused many CEO's to go to jail for misrepresenting their company's true state.  One can go on and on about the deception, and the bill for all of this has been  paid with your hard work, Steve; and you and I both probably will never have the  luxury of retirement to pay for the deceptions of the past, too. Go and look at  the taxes you pay and not only at the bottom figure that you net each month. See  if $16,000 per child per year in education as opposed to less than $10,000 per  year for a private school, is a good bang for your buck. See if paying under $2  per gallon for your gasoline is worse than $5, which is what we are being told  today. See if you believe it's correct that all the gasoline taxes are funneled  into the general fund and then you are asked to pay additional taxes for the  infrastructure. See if our automobile industry can compete if they are saddled  with a million retirees that earn full benefits adding $1,500 per car to the  bottom line (as opposed to Toyota's $120). 

  

 One shouldn't cry that one is a hard-working individual  when one partakes (actively or passively) in the destruction of the institutions  that made this country great - institutions that honor and reward hard work. One  cannot categorize the evils that befall us in Republican and Democratic camps;  they are liberal versus conservative - socialism versus capitalism - pathogen  versus host. You are a conservative; you need to see that difference.  

  

 And that, my friend, is how I read Dan's ire.  

  

 Nico

  

 PS. I am still envious that you get to fly Commanders for a  living.

 N

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve  W

Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:01 AM

To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Fw: Happy  New Year II

 

 Aww beans.....

  

 Dan I know enough farmers who were land poor to  know what you're talking about. When Kathie and I did our market gardening we  used some land of a friend of mine in New Hampshire who was a fifth generation  dairy farmer. The town was going to try to tax the manure composting pad as a  patio.

  

 Dan this is to you personally since now I've caused  you offense. As a farmer since a kid, you've worked harder than I have. But  nobody has ever handed me anything either. I helped out in my Dad's small  struggling company since 11 or so. I've never stopped working. The house we  built is on land I cleared. I was up late last night to feed the wood-fired oven  I built for my wife's little business so she could go to bed early and wake up  at 3:00am... I've just about finished adapting an old plow to put on the newer  truck because I can't afford a new one......Etc.. I work my ass off. That's  exactly how I took your posting...... I'm logging on to a Commander list and  here's a post telling me how I want a handout and how lazy I am. I'll likely  never see retirement. The policies that enrichened portfolios and made many  people wealthy, sold our manufacturing and now our white-collar work  overseas. The Republicans held the House and Senate for how many years? And this  is all the evil Democrats fault? Ridiculus.

  

 Since I've said it I've got explain it. And I  personally apologize to you. But there's millions of our own people in trouble.  Some of the poor work damned hard. It just seems like some of the people who  have it best, who have had every advantage the country could offer are the  angriest of people. Propaganda cuts both ways. Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh  are both entertainers who manipulate facts and create caricatures of an  opposite 'side' to stir passions and sell air time. A steady diet of either has  one coming to despise this 'other side'. Both of them start with some grain of  truth, but are often full of shit and vastly over-simplistic if you actually  look at the facts. Everything can only exist as polar opposites. 'Obama is  an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist'.... 'Barney Frank is responsible  for our country's financial meltdown'. I've seen Fox news putting on the  kookiest far lefties to knock down. The far left press is just as goofy. 'Bush  is evil'. Each side and each performer relies on demonizing others and relieving  the listener of responsibility. The extremes are unable to ackowledge a  rational center. The far left might seek to silence the far right, but the far  right has become more politically correct than left.

  

 It's not anyone's business, but I voted for  Democrats, Republicans and Independents in this last election because in each  case I thought they were the best for (at) the job. I would welcome genuine  conservatism. How these last eight years could be called conservative in almost  any respect is way beyond me. People mostly voted for Obama because he acquited  himself well through the campain, was intelligent, and appeared he might be able  to govern competantly.

  

 (P.S. I ain't Snow White. I watched my Father's  business struggle while others were eliglble for grants he couldn't get. I never  finshed school as others were given money and I was working full-time. The  company I work for is still competing unfairly against competant 'diasadvantaged' businesses. I think this stuff has run  it's course.)

  

 (P.P.S. I still ain't Snow White. I'm no better  than anyone else. I genuinely don't understand how those that claim to be  religious, square the tenants and teachings with what they do and  believe.)

  

 You may not want it from me, but I genuinely  wish you sir a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year.

  

 Steven Welebny

  

 (Opinions are mine, and not of the company I work  for.)

  

  

  

  

  

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Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: Happy New Year II

If that is true, you wouldn’t have gone off Dan like you did.   

   

We are all about to get bit in the butt, get ready.  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W

 Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:24 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Fw: Happy New Year II  

  

     

Mr. Bob Steele,  

    

   

    

My opinions are my own and not that of the company I work for. That's important. They are good folks and we're actually quite conservative and careful. (The area has its share of liberals, some more so than others. These old mill and company towns really seemed to breed a working class that thinks of companies as us and them.... Something of a union mentality......Oops....Hehe.)  

    

   

    

I am not nearly as liberal as you think. You wouldn't know a real one if they bit you in the butt.  

    

   

    

Most of the off topic political posts here are 'angry' and blame everyone else for the country's ills. I've never seen one that says, 'boy was that dumb!'  

    

   

    

I actually like Dan. Milt too. (Thought hopefully we won't have to fight first, before I can give him a hug.)  

    

   

    

Have a happy and good New Year.  

    

   

    

Steve  

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RnJThompson(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: Happy New Year II

To all my mates, hope you have a great new year.  

   

Now to wade into this discussion.  

We are now a year and a bit into our own change. Our illustrious leader Kevin Rudd a.k.a KRUDD, Kevin747 , Dudd , Kevin07-mistake08 and disaster09.  

The way he won power is scarily similar to Obamas rise. Making promises to the great unwashed, offering something for nothing, going to change the world for the better etc.  

Well it seems as we all know that it is a lot easier to sit in the peanut gallery shouting about how things should be done than actually doing it yourself. One suddenly gets to realize that thing don’t really change. Policies that work in fashion carry on working, slowly those that don’t change into something that does. We now have a government that is living off the policies of the previous government. Rehashed and proudly touted as their own, but still the policies of old. Everthing he said he was going to change is still the same if not worse. I can not name one person I know who will admit to voting for this dope, even though in the media he is the GREATEST. The Unions financed his rise and were about to get back a lot of their power. Now it seems that they might have been wrong as well.  

We swapped a Statesman for a public servant.  

OH BOY ARE WE GOING TO PAY.  

   

Regards  

Richard  

Owner of a quick rebuild (8 years later)  

Owner of numerous Piper products  

Previous recipient of the Golden Pedal Award (now in the hands of Moe)  

   

P.S. Dan my boy Forget the politics it will only Pee you off and concentrate on your true calling. Giving retired people a bad name . That story about the dog food was a classic. Up there with the plastic Poo and forgetting to release the brakes at OKC.  

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cschuerm(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: Happy New Year II

Richard & Jacqui Thompson wrote:

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 We are now a year and a bit into our own change.




	


Happy new year to you and Jacqui also!  Hope things are well on the 

other side of the planet.

Interesting information about your political situation.  Thanks for 

sharing.  Much like reading the NTSB reports and trying to learn from 

other people mistakes, I find it highly informative to study the 

political situation around the world to find out what social experiments 

have been tried and what the results have been.  Based upon my studies, 

I fear that we as a country have probably not done our due diligence in 

learning from other countries mistakes.  I hope I'm proven wrong, but I 

guess time will tell.



cheers,

chris



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