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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy.

Hello Sabrina,

 

I consider that ejectable canopy is a bad idea, I will try to explain it as short as possible,   The ejected canopy can hit and serious damage, or destroy the Rudder!   Even that is plexiglass, has lots of metal parts in the structure.  

 

Lets remember what happened to the door that opened/loosed in a 701 recently. 

The airplane almost loosed the stabilator...

 

All airplanes needs the empenage to keep them flying... At least the ZAC ones, I know Rogalos and Paraglaiders dont    

 

One thing I consider very important is Check List(s) in all airplanes,  (I remember) from simple Hang Gliders (Are you hooked?),  to the Space Shuttle pilots,  WE MUST go though all of them, not just by memory.

My Instructor was very Serious about this! (and with everything he teached me).

 

In all airplanes that have canopies, doors, windows that can open (C-152 for example), baggage compartment lids, etc.  A very important point is that the pilot in command (Us) make sure that they are ALL perfectly closed before take off...  

 

In my 701, everytime I have a passenger I double check that his seat belt is buckled and adjusted and the door latch is completly closed. I plan to do the same every take off with the 601 XL's canopy latch... (hope this year)

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy.

Hello Jay M.

  

 Just a very short comment: You are right,  Jay B and Pilot did the best thing, they managed to land and are alive...  

  

 One thing very important for ALL of us is to try to keep calm in any type of personal emergency situation...  if Fear and Desparation are winning, Clear Mind is loosing...

 

Easy to say but hard to do in "that" moment.

  

 Jay B.  Thank you very much for your experience, hope all of us learn something from this list that can help us in the future to come.  

  

 Saludos

 Gary Gower

 I remeber an old local saying with motorcycles:  "Only the ones that dont ride, will not fall..." (translated from Spanish).

 Keep safe, but not too much to not enjoy life... 



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		  From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard(at)conmicro.com>

Subject: Re: Re: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 8:52 PM



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On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 08:40:38PM -0500, jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:

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		   Monday morning quarterbacking is great!? At about pattern altitude, canopy

 pops fully open, nose goes down 60+ degrees, 100 mph & increasing,

headset
	


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		   ripped off your head, cruise power,.? What would you do?


	


*sigh*



People, we need to remember, when disucssing these things, that people we

know and consider friends have been right in the middle of the kinds of

failures we're discussing, and refrain from casting aspersions on the

abilities of folks who have been there and done that.



We can and should learn from others' experiences...but we should not say

we'd have done things differently in the heat of the moment - because

there's just no way to know. Sometimes, what the book says we should do and

what we think we will do as we're sitting in front of the computer

don't

correspond to what we actually wind up doing when the canopy comes open.



As for me, I make certain to double check the security of the (in my case,

new-style) canopy latch on both sides before taxi, and again before takeoff,

as a result of Jay's accident. I've also given careful consideration to

how

I'll handle that occurrence. Even so, I'm not going to sit here and say

that

he screwed up. I suggest none of us are the position to do so.

-- 

Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI      http://www.conmicro.com

http://jmaynard.livejournal.com       http://www.tronguy.net

Fairmont, MN (KFRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)

AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml





	
	


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naumuk(at)windstream.net
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy.

Gary-

     I totally agree with you- you  want to keep the parts you have rather than jettison them. I don't think there's  a pilot out there who hasn't had an oil hatch or door open in flight, and let's  face it, there are a couple of seconds when you're trying to assess the  situation. If your first instinct is to hit the "Jettison" button there'd be a  lot of planes flying around with missing parts.

     

                                                                                          Bill

                                                        do not  archive

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paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: In-flight opening of front hinged canopy.

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Gentlemen, sometimes reductio ad absurdam really does get to the  heart of the matter:

  

 1: Canopy came open. 

 2: Aircraft was not reduced to rubble.

 3: Occupants walked away.

 4: Nobody unhappy with item 3.

  

 and, 5: We learned it can be done.  'nuff said.

  

 If some guy flying through severe turbulence hits a bird, which trashes his  canopy, goes into a spin, loses his prop to over speed, , regains control in  time to clip a high tension wire, which rips off his rudder, slashes through a  tree, locks up his brakes blows both tires, and stops 6 inches away from a  station wagon full of nuns, I ain't gonna tell him he should have done  such-and-such!  Nothing outweighs the phrase, "I(we) made it!"  [img]cid:010701c9742a$457C19E7(at)ownerf8535761e[/img]

  

 Paul Rodriguez   

  

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