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MChase(at)gdatp.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:26 am Post subject: Rivet Plates

Guys, 

 

OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates. 

 

When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle.  Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-) 

 

 



 Thanks 

 

 

Michael Chase 

 Sr. Manager Supplier Quality

 General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc

 128 Lakeside Ave

 Burlington, VT 05401

 

 802.657.6029 Office

 802.922.5930 Cell

 802.657.6715

 mchase(at)gdatp.com

 

 

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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: Rivet Plates

Hey Michael,

  

 If there's a dimple for the screw, you should be  using a nut plate that is countersunk for the dimple ... ?

  

 Later, - Lew

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:57 am Post subject: Rivet Plates

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   Dumb as it may sound...you are using the 1100 style nutplates? And you are dimpling the lugs? I just use a cleco to hold one side while riveting the other side...never had and problems with rocking of the plate...that's all I can think of Michael..Rick SkedN246RS

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:20:12 -0400

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Subject: RV10-List: Rivet Plates

Guys,

OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates.

When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle.  Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-)

 Thanks

Michael Chase 

 Sr. Manager Supplier Quality

 General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc

 128 Lakeside Ave

 Burlington, VT 05401

 802.657.6029 Office

 802.922.5930 Cell

 802.657.6715

 mchase(at)gdatp.com

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ogdenk

Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:37 am Post subject: Rivet Plates

Michael,

  

 If I recall some of the numbers, there is for example a K1100-6 and a K1100-06 nutplate for #6 screws, one is for dimpled skins, the other is flush.  Are you sure you are using the right nutplate?  It's easy to confuse some of these part numbers.

  

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		  >> Michael D Chase <MChase(at)gdatp.com> 6/18/2009 7:20 AM >>>


	


Guys, 



OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates. 



When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle.  Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-) 



Thanks 

Michael Chase 

Sr. Manager Supplier Quality

General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc

128 Lakeside Ave

Burlington, VT 05401



802.657.6029 Office

802.922.5930 Cell

802.657.6715

mchase(at)gdatp.com

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bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: Rivet Plates

It’s actually K1000 series for flush and K1100 series dimpled skins, the suffix is the screw/bolt size.  More than once when building I just glanced at the plans, misread, and grabbed a 1000 when I should have grabbed an 1100.  

Bob  

         

  

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Michael,  

    

   

    

If I recall some of the numbers, there is for example a K1100-6 and a K1100-06 nutplate for #6 screws, one is for dimpled skins, the other is flush.  Are you sure you are using the right nutplate?  It's easy to confuse some of these part numbers.  

    

   

    

Kent Ogden

 

 >>> Michael D Chase <MChase(at)gdatp.com> 6/18/2009 7:20 AM >>>

 

 Guys, 

 

 OK this may be a bit late to ask this question but I took a bit of time off from my wings and seem to have forgotten how to do rivet plates. 

 

 When I attempt to rivet the plate on I am having issues with a gap between the surface and plate due to rocking on the dimple put in for the screw down the middle.  Trying to get in there with a pair of needle nose pliers to hold everything tight is a bit more then I can do with 2 hands:-) 

 

 

 

 Thanks 

 

 

 Michael Chase 

 Sr. Manager Supplier Quality

 General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products, Inc

 128 Lakeside Ave

 Burlington, VT 05401

 

 802.657.6029 Office

 802.922.5930 Cell

 802.657.6715

 mchase(at)gdatp.com

 

 

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Albert Gardner

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: Rivet Plates

There is also a nutplate that has dimpled holes for the attaching rivets. 

You can dimple those holes yourself however. I don't know the part no.

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Rivet Plates

Just to summarize:

If the  hole for the screw is dimpled, you need K1100-xxx series. If the screw hole is not dimpled, you need K1000-xxx series.

If the nutplate attaching rivets are in a dimpled skin, you will need to dimple the attaching holes in the nutplate. Most dimple dies will hit the center, threaded portion of the nutplate. You'll need to grind down the female die slightly, or build a jig (which is what I did) to avoid damaging the center, threaded part.

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