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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

I've just uploaded a new Z-Figure intended to address the

unique requirements of automotive conversions that use the

Kettering points/coil/distributor ignition systems.



In this case, the drawing is tailored to the design philosophy

of Wm. Wynn at Flycorvair.com  with additional attention

to minimizing single points of failure for both systems

-AND- observance of contemporary philosophies for handling

always hot wires off the battery bus.



This drawing also introduces a new product from the 'Connection.

We've got about a dozen new products in the pipe but I needed

a good training program for my kids who are getting geared up

to take over the business side of the AeroElectric Connection.



The AEC9024

        Bob . . .



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        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:28 am Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

I've just uploaded a new Z-Figure intended to address the

unique requirements of automotive conversions that use the

Kettering points/coil/distributor ignition systems.



http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z09A.pdf



In this case, the drawing is tailored to the design philosophy

of Wm. Wynn at Flycorvair.com  with additional attention

to minimizing single points of failure for both systems

-AND- observance of contemporary philosophies for handling

always hot wires off the battery bus.



This drawing also introduces a new product from the 'Connection.

We've got about a dozen new products in the pipe but I needed

a good training program for my kids who are getting geared up

to take over the business side of the AeroElectric Connection.



The AEC9024



  . . . OOPS . . . got tangled around that SEND button again . . .



The AEC9024 series product offers 4 functions in a single device

that uses a packaging scheme much like the crowbar OV modules.

In this case, the device incorporates a microprocessor and

10 other components that can be used to effect . . .



Contactor Power Management (make el-cheeso battery contactors

operate luke-warm).



Alternator OV disconnect relay driver for PM alternators



LV Warning module for LED or Incandescant lamps.



Aux Battery Management Module.



Figure Z-9 illustrates three of the four functions for

the AEC9024



The 9024 will be shipped with instructions for wiring

to accomplish any of these functions. You program the

device to the intended task by clipping jumpers.  This

critter is an attractive training product and equally

attractive merchandising opportunity. One product

of only 11 components helps keep inventory costs low.

The critter will sell for under $30.



Software is under development and the board artwork will

go to the board shop next week. My chamber is up an

running so testing won't take long.

        Bob . . .



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        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

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mrspudandcompany(at)veriz
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

 	  Quote: 	
		   I've just uploaded a new Z-Figure intended to address the

 unique requirements of automotive conversions that use the

 Kettering points/coil/distributor ignition systems.



 In this case, the drawing is tailored to the design philosophy

 of Wm. Wynn at Flycorvair.com  with additional attention

 to minimizing single points of failure for both systems

 -AND- observance of contemporary philosophies for handling

 always hot wires off the battery bus.



 This drawing also introduces a new product from the 'Connection.

 We've got about a dozen new products in the pipe but I needed

 a good training program for my kids who are getting geared up

 to take over the business side of the AeroElectric Connection.




	




Bob,



Is there a reason why you are using a single ignition switch, with a single 

point of failure, for the dual ignition?



Roger

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Bob,



 Is there a reason why you are using a single ignition switch, with a single point of failure, for the dual ignition?



 Roger 	


   Yup, that's a William Wynn design philosophy described

   in Chapter 5 of his installation documentation:



  http://tinyurl.com/nd42op 



   I would have opted for a pair of independent switches

   but his rationale for the single switch is well

   articulated. I did expand to 4-poles so that I could

   protect each power lead on it's own fuse. Getting into

   a one versus two switch argument wasn't going to be

   very productive.



   Of course, any builder could split to a pair of

   switches at their own choosing. This Z-figure offers

   an "AeroElectric Connection" style power distribution

   diagram that assists his builders in crafting an installation

   consistent with his well thought out design goals.



 

        Bob . . .



         ---------------------------------------

        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

         ---------------------------------------



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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

Given that both sides of the discussion have merit, does any know if 

they still make the blocks that clamp over a pair of toggle switches. 

Much of the stock video footage of missile launches and control rooms 

show someone flipping one. They usually had yellow and black diagonal 

stripes.



Is there a modern equivalent To that type of setup.



Thanks,

Raymond Julian



do not archive

Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  >

> Bob,

>

> Is there a reason why you are using a single ignition switch, with a 

> single point of failure, for the dual ignition?

>

> Roger 

 

   Yup, that's a William Wynn design philosophy described

   in Chapter 5 of his installation documentation:

 

 * http://tinyurl.com/nd42op*

 

   I would have opted for a pair of independent switches

   but his rationale for the single switch is well

   articulated. I did expand to 4-poles so that I could

   protect each power lead on it's own fuse. Getting into

   a one versus two switch argument wasn't going to be

   very productive.

 

   Of course, any builder could split to a pair of

   switches at their own choosing. This Z-figure offers

   an "AeroElectric Connection" style power distribution

   diagram that assists his builders in crafting an installation

   consistent with his well thought out design goals.

 

        Bob . . .

 

         ---------------------------------------

        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

         ---------------------------------------

 

 *

 

 

 *

franz(at)lastfrontierheli
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:51 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

I have seen them at Stein Air

Franz

On 02/09/09 2:47 PM, "ray" <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Given that both sides of the discussion have merit, does any know if

 they still make the blocks that clamp over a pair of toggle switches.

 Much of the stock video footage of missile launches and control rooms

 show someone flipping one. They usually had yellow and black diagonal

 stripes.

 

 Is there a modern equivalent To that type of setup.

 

 Thanks,

 Raymond Julian

 

 do not archive

 Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

>> 

>> Bob,

>> 

>> Is there a reason why you are using a single ignition switch, with a

>> single point of failure, for the dual ignition?

>> 

>> Roger 

> 

>   Yup, that's a William Wynn design philosophy described

>   in Chapter 5 of his installation documentation:

> 

> * http://tinyurl.com/nd42op*

> 

>   I would have opted for a pair of independent switches

>   but his rationale for the single switch is well

>   articulated. I did expand to 4-poles so that I could

>   protect each power lead on it's own fuse. Getting into

>   a one versus two switch argument wasn't going to be

>   very productive.

> 

>   Of course, any builder could split to a pair of

>   switches at their own choosing. This Z-figure offers

>   an "AeroElectric Connection" style power distribution

>   diagram that assists his builders in crafting an installation

>   consistent with his well thought out design goals.

> 

>        Bob . . .

> 

>         ---------------------------------------

>        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

>        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

>        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

>        (                                       )

>        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

>         ---------------------------------------

> 

> *

> 

> 

> *

 

 

 

 


	


Franz Fux

Director of Operations



Last Frontier Heliskiing Ltd.

Bell 2 Lodge

P.O. Box 1237

Vernon, BC, V1T 6N6

CANADA



Office Contact

T: (250) 558-7980

F: (250) 558-7981

http://www.lastfrontierheli.com



Lodge Contact

T: (250) 275-4770

F: (250) 275-4912

http://www.bell2lodge.com

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

At 04:47 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ray <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net>



 Given that both sides of the discussion have merit, does any know if they still make the blocks that clamp over a pair of toggle switches. Much of the stock video footage of missile launches and control rooms show someone flipping one. They usually had yellow and black diagonal stripes.



 Is there a modern equivalent To that type of setup. 	


   There's a variety of hinged covers that can be

   used over the bat-handled toggle switches.



  http://tinyurl.com/mnoc55 



   These are readily available from a lot of sources.

   Know that they come in a lot of dash numbers for

   spring loaded closed, stable in open position,

   and cams on the inside of the cover to force the

   handle into a certian position when the cover is

   closed.



   OH . . . a PAIR of toggle switches? Inadvertent

   operation fences? I think Eric Jones  offers some

   off of his website.



   Are you talking about those honk'en big covers

   with a hinged lid? Why would you want such a thing

   on your panel?



 

 

        Bob . . .



         ---------------------------------------

        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

         ---------------------------------------



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raymondj(at)frontiernet.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

I think we've had a little data dropout.  What I'm asking about is a way 

to physically tie the 2 handles together so that the 2 switches must be 

operated together.  The idea being to eliminate a single point of 

failure while still implementing the 1 switch philosophy from WW.



Raymond Julian



do not archive



Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   At 04:47 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote:

> 

>

> Given that both sides of the discussion have merit, does any know if 

> they still make the blocks that clamp over a pair of toggle switches. 

> Much of the stock video footage of missile launches and control rooms 

> show someone flipping one. They usually had yellow and black diagonal 

> stripes.

>

> Is there a modern equivalent To that type of setup.

 

   There's a variety of hinged covers that can be

   used over the bat-handled toggle switches.

 

 * http://tinyurl.com/mnoc55*

 

   These are readily available from a lot of sources.

   Know that they come in a lot of dash numbers for

   spring loaded closed, stable in open position,

   and cams on the inside of the cover to force the

   handle into a certian position when the cover is

   closed.

 

   OH . . . a PAIR of toggle switches? Inadvertent

   operation fences? I think Eric Jones  offers some

   off of his website.

 

   Are you talking about those honk'en big covers

   with a hinged lid? Why would you want such a thing

   on your panel?

 

 

        Bob . . .

 

         ---------------------------------------

        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

         ---------------------------------------

 

 *

 

 

 *

n8zg(at)mchsi.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

Raymond - 

The switch-tie device you describe would be easy to fabricate.  

A chunk of 0.250 or 0.3125 aluminum, a drill press and a little time with a

file...



neal



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Subject: Re: New Z-figure (Corvair)






I think we've had a little data dropout.  What I'm asking about is a way 

to physically tie the 2 handles together so that the 2 switches must be 

operated together.  The idea being to eliminate a single point of 

failure while still implementing the 1 switch philosophy from WW.



Raymond Julian



do not archive

echristley(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

ray wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Given that both sides of the discussion have merit, does any know if 

 they still make the blocks that clamp over a pair of toggle switches. 

 Much of the stock video footage of missile launches and control rooms 

 show someone flipping one. They usually had yellow and black diagonal 

 stripes.



 Is there a modern equivalent To that type of setup.

mpja.com has been giving them away for the almost the cost of shipping 
	


for a while now.



-- 

Ernest Christley, President

Ernest(at)TechnicalTakedown.com



TechnicalTakedown, LLC

www.TechnicalTakedown.com

101 Steep Bank Dr.

Cary, NC  27518

(919) 741-9397

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

At 09:43 PM 9/2/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Raymond -

The switch-tie device you describe would be easy to fabricate.

A chunk of 0.250 or 0.3125 aluminum, a drill press and a little time with a

file...



neal



========

Subject: Re: New Z-figure (Corvair)






I think we've had a little data dropout.  What I'm asking about is a way

to physically tie the 2 handles together so that the 2 switches must be

operated together.  The idea being to eliminate a single point of

failure while still implementing the 1 switch philosophy from WW.


	


   Aha! But of course. Neal's suggestion works. I've not

   seen those as a catalog item but they're not hard to

   make. Some aluminum bar stock, drills, taps, set screws,

   and some sculpting on the sander would work good. I think

   I would sand some flats on the switch handles for the set

   screws to grip and run screws in from both sides . . . not

   unlike



http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Tech_Tips/FlapSwitch/FlapSw2.jpg

        Bob . . .



         ---------------------------------------

        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

         ---------------------------------------

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:48 am Post subject: New Z-figure (Corvair)

Ray, If you're talking about the flip up covers over the toggle switches, they can be had at your local auto parts store. At least in red. About $5 each at O'Rielly's.



Rick Girard



 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:47 PM, ray <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net (raymondj(at)frontiernet.net)> wrote:

[quote] --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ray <raymondj(at)frontiernet.net>

 

 Given that both sides of the discussion have merit, does any know if they still make the blocks that clamp over a pair of toggle switches. Much of the stock video footage of missile launches and control rooms show someone flipping one. They usually had yellow and black diagonal stripes.

  

 Is there a modern equivalent To that type of setup.

 

 Thanks,

 Raymond Julian

 

 do not archive

 Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		   	  Quote: 	
		   

 Bob,

 

 Is there a reason why you are using a single ignition switch, with a single point of failure, for the dual ignition?

 

 Roger 

 	
 

   Yup, that's a William Wynn design philosophy described

   in Chapter 5 of his installation documentation:

 

 * http://tinyurl.com/nd42op*

 

   I would have opted for a pair of independent switches

   but his rationale for the single switch is well

   articulated. I did expand to 4-poles so that I could

   protect each power lead on it's own fuse. Getting into

   a one versus two switch argument wasn't going to be

   very productive.

 

   Of course, any builder could split to a pair of

   switches at their own choosing. This Z-figure offers

   an "AeroElectric Connection" style power distribution

   diagram that assists his builders in crafting an installation

   consistent with his well thought out design goals.

 

        Bob . . .

 

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        ( . . .  a long habit of not thinking   )

        ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )

        ( appearance of being right . . .       )

        (                                       )

        (                  -Thomas Paine 1776-  )

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