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		DVanvoorhi(at)aol.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Smiles | 
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				I mishandled the nose skin on my 601 HD and generated several "smiles" (or  
 maybe they should be called "frowns").  Is there anything that can be done  to 
 remove them before installing the piece?  Is it better to live with them  now 
 and take them out with filler after installation?
  
 Dirk Van Voorhis (scratch building in Riverside  CA)
 
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		frank.hinde(at)hp.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Smiles | 
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				Depends on if you intend to paint the aircraft or not...If you are then
 you just have a short term feature.
 
 If you intend t leave it bare you will have a permanent feature....I
 doubt there is any way to remove the frowns.
 
 Frank 601HDS 394 hours
 
 Do not archive 
 
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		pmaxpmax(at)hotmail.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:13 pm    Post subject: Smiles | 
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				I had the same problem on my leading edges of my wings.  Bill Clapp, Corvair 
 Aviator and Car Restorer, gently worked them out by flexing the metal with a 
 small suction cup.  After flexing it many times, it came close to being like 
 new.  My leading edges are now polished and look OK.
 
 Phil Maxson
 601XL/Corvair
 
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 Subject: Smiles
 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:57:07 EDT
 
  
 I mishandled the nose skin on my 601 HD and generated several "smiles" (or
 maybe they should be called "frowns").  Is there anything that can be done  
 to
 remove them before installing the piece?  Is it better to live with them  
 now
 and take them out with filler after installation?
 
 Dirk Van Voorhis (scratch building in Riverside  CA)
 
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		pilotdna(at)hotmail.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:58 pm    Post subject: Smiles | 
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				If by smiles you mean small creases/dings, I found that the suggestion in 
 the rudder construction manual of pressing and rolling a regular steel spoon 
 (from your kitchen, not a special tool) on the back side of the metal will 
 work them right out.  That was on .016 though, I haven't progressed as far 
 as the fuselage yet so I don't know how thick your part is.  I suspect .025 
 is still workable with this method (and a strong thumb to push into the 
 spoon.)
 
 I learned this after my first shipment of metal from Aircraft Spruce arrived 
 poorly crated and dinged to garbage, and they refused to take it back after 
 numerous phone calls.  I got the piece I wanted to use for my stab skin 
 satisfactorily straight with the spoon method (backed by plywood while 
 "spooning" out the dings), and found that it turns a real crease into a 
 barely visible wavy spot that you wouldn't notice without really looking for 
 it.  Sure beat not building for a year while saving pennies for more metal 
 (I'm a 20 year old engineering student).
 
 Do Not Archive (or order metal from Aircraft spruce!)
 
 Douglas Eatman
 601XL scrap build/corvair
 
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				 Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:36 am    Post subject: Smiles | 
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				Dirk,
 I'd consider tracing it to another piece and make another at this point 
 if you've not attached it.
 Another consideration, you might want to make the forward top skin 
 removable for access to your
 panel etc.  As scratch builder, you've an advantage in deciding these 
 things.  I've got most of the detail
 covered on my website that shows how it's done.  The FW top skin has 
 been off a good number of times
 since the Airworthiness and paid its value the first time it had to come 
 off.
 If you need more info on this just ask.
 Good luck,
 
 Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
 DVanvoorhi(at)aol.com wrote:
 
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 I mishandled the nose skin on my 601 HD and generated several "smiles" (or  
 maybe they should be called "frowns").  Is there anything that can be done  to 
 remove them before installing the piece?  Is it better to live with them  now 
 and take them out with filler after installation?
  
 Dirk Van Voorhis (scratch building in Riverside  CA)
 
   
 
 
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		hrs1(at)frontiernet.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Smiles | 
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				Dirk . .  be sure to check the archives.  This subject has been discussed in 
 detail several times since I joined the list about 4 years ago.  I use the 
 spoon technique with about 90% satisfaction, but I believe there was an 
 alternate technique posted within the past 6 months or so which looked 
 interesting.  Robert Schoenberger 701 Do not archive
 
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