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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: G500

 As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10. 

 We know how that turned out.

 So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope. 

In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said. Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: G500

Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.  The 

stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info you get from 

XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that.  Can't you port the XM 

weather to your big screen???

Linn



Patrick Thyssen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrument 

 panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly. 

 I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10.

  We know how that turned out.

  So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted. 

 So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also 

 took out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope.

 In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though 

 it's not supported yet. Near future they said. Well I called the tech 

 yesterday to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the 

 WX500. The field engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would 

 be a least two yrs.

  So here I am, New panel desighned cut  painted ready to install shortly 

 no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining to feel like I'm dealing 

 with OP again.

  Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would put this 

 kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a WX500 stormscope in 

 them.

  And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen, but, You 

 buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM weather on portable due 

 to different planes we fly.

  Thats my story

 Thanks Garmin

 

 Patrick Thyssen

 

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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: G500

To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you need or is 15 min. late 

I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly. 

I have flown with stormscopes for years.

Patrick Thyssen

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:



From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: G500

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM






Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.  The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that.  Can't you port the XM weather to your big screen???

Linn



Patrick Thyssen wrote:

[quote]  As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10.

  We know how that turned out.

  So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope.

 In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said. Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.

  So here I am, New panel desighned cut  painted ready to install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.

  Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a WX500 stormscope in them

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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: G500

 I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the equiptment as per FAR135.173. I think

Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM

MY2cents

Patrick Thyssen



--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>

Subject: Re: G500

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM



To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you need or is 15 min. late 

I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly. 

I have flown with stormscopes for years.

Patrick Thyssen

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:



From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: G500

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM






Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.  The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that.  Can't you port the XM weather to your big screen???

Linn



Patrick Thyssen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full intergrated system in my RV10.

  We know how that turned out.

  So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with 330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new WX500 stormscope.

 In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up, even though it's not supported yet. Near future they

 said. Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.
	


[quote]  So here I am, New panel desighned cut  painted ready to install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.

  Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a WX500 stormscope in them

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: G500

I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a Stormscope.  After 

flying blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard software on an RF 

Palm (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly there was 

light, and I could see around corners.  Then the 396 came out and I 

thought I died and went to heaven.



I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a scope but 

won't  feel limited because I've never been so enabled.



Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.



Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart wrenching.  Thanks for 

sharing.  Hope it all comes together in the end.



Bill Watson



Patrick Thyssen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the 

 equiptment as per FAR135.173. I think

 Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM

 MY2cents

 Patrick Thyssen



 --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:

     From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>

     Subject: Re: G500

     To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

     Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM



     To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or

     lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you

     need or is 15 min. late

     I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on

     the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.

     I have flown with stormscopes for years.

     Patrick Thyssen

     --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters /<pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>/*

     wrote:

         From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

         Subject: Re: G500

         To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

         Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM



         

         <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>



         Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather. 

         The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info

         you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that.  Can't

         you port the XM weather to your big screen???

         Linn



         Patrick Thyssen wrote:

         >  As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding

         my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I

         should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full

         intergrated system in my RV10.

         >  We know how that turned out.

         >  So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what

         I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with

         330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new

         WX500 stormscope.

         > In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up,

         even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said.

         Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're

         coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer

         said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.

         >  So here I am, New panel desighned cut  painted ready to

         install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining

         to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.

         >  Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would

         put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a

         WX500 stormscope in them.

         >  And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,

         but, You buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM

         weather on portable due to different planes we fly.

         >  Thats my story

         > Thanks Garmin

         >

         > Patrick Thyssen

         >

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Kelly McMullen

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: G500

The XM from what I have seen is similar to what you see on weather

computer in FBO, with similar delays. What you get on Stormscope is

where electrical activity exists right now, which normally is where

the worst bumps are located. Radar tells you where rain is right now,

but doesn't tell you much about what is behind the first line of rain.

XM is strategic planning info. Stormscope and radar are tactical tools

when planning or weather behavior isn't as good as you hoped.



On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson

<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>



 I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a Stormscope.  After flying

 blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard software on an RF Palm

 (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly there was light, and I

 could see around corners.  Then the 396 came out and I thought I died and

 went to heaven.



 I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a scope but won't

  feel limited because I've never been so enabled.



 Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.



 Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart wrenching.  Thanks for sharing.

  Hope it all comes together in the end.



 Bill Watson



 Patrick Thyssen wrote:

>

>  I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the equiptment

> as per FAR135.173. I think

> Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM

> MY2cents

> Patrick Thyssen

>

> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:

>    From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>

>    Subject: Re: G500

>    To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>    Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM

>

>    To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or

>    lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you

>    need or is 15 min. late

>    I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on

>    the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.

>    I have flown with stormscopes for years.

>    Patrick Thyssen

>    --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters /<pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>/*

>    wrote:

>        From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

>        Subject: Re: G500

>        To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>        Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM

>

>        

>        <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

>

>        Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.

>  The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info

>        you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that.  Can't

>        you port the XM weather to your big screen???

>        Linn

>

>        Patrick Thyssen wrote:

>        >  As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding

>        my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I

>        should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full

>        intergrated system in my RV10.

>        >  We know how that turned out.

>        >  So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what

>        I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with

>        330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new

>        WX500 stormscope.

>        > In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up,

>        even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said.

>        Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're

>        coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer

>        said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.

>        >  So here I am, New panel desighned cut  painted ready to

>        install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining

>        to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.

>        >  Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would

>        put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a

>        WX500 stormscope in them.

>        >  And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,

>        but, You buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM

>        weather on portable due to different planes we fly.

>        >  Thats my story

>        > Thanks Garmin

>        >

>        > Patrick Thyssen

>        >

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KCHD

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: G500

Agreed.



I guess after one (inadvertent) flight into what I'd describe as light 

embedded cells, I quickly decided that such conditions weren't really 

manageable with zero weather capability.  When I first had access to 

CheapBastard, I found that Nexrad images in the cockpit was a quantum 

leap, an order of magnitude improvement over total dependence on ATC, 

Flight Watch, and my dilated eyeballs.  Embedded light cells were still 

to be avoided due to a lack of a 'tactical' view but flight thru the SE 

US including typical FL afternoons became very doable. 



Flights involved staying in clear air 90% of the time with very limited 

cloud penetrations.  But with 25 min old Nexrad images, I could see the 

big picture, watch how it moved and see around corners.  JAX center 

controllers may be the best in the states at steering traffic around and 

thru weather.  It was fun being able to see almost as well as they could 

in pre-396 days.



G396-style Nexrad works really well on convective SE US days with 

defined cells and lines.  But I'm imagining that in embedded situations 

where it is 100% IMC with embedded buildups, flight is best done with 

radar and/or  storm scope equipment.  And a more heavily  loaded 

aircraft than a Maule.



Bill "who still likes to think of a thunderstorm as a malignant thermal" 

Watson



Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 The XM from what I have seen is similar to what you see on weather

 computer in FBO, with similar delays. What you get on Stormscope is

 where electrical activity exists right now, which normally is where

 the worst bumps are located. Radar tells you where rain is right now,

 but doesn't tell you much about what is behind the first line of rain.

 XM is strategic planning info. Stormscope and radar are tactical tools

 when planning or weather behavior isn't as good as you hoped.



 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson

 <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:

   

> 

> <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

>

> I've never had the chance to fly with radar or a Stormscope.  After flying

> blind for awhile, I started using CheapBastard software on an RF Palm

> (anybody use that hall of fame mashup) and suddenly there was light, and I

> could see around corners.  Then the 396 came out and I thought I died and

> went to heaven.

>

> I'll probably never get the chance to fly with radar or a scope but won't

>  feel limited because I've never been so enabled.

>

> Looking forward to lighting up XM weather on the GRTs.

>

> Patrick, your RV10 avionics journey is heart wrenching.  Thanks for sharing.

>  Hope it all comes together in the end.

>

> Bill Watson

>

> Patrick Thyssen wrote:

>     

>>  I guess I should correct myself under 135 you have to have the equiptment

>> as per FAR135.173. I think

>> Me now days I'll have both stormscope and XM

>> MY2cents

>> Patrick Thyssen

>>

>> --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Patrick Thyssen /<jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>/* wrote:

>>

>>

>>    From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>

>>    Subject: Re: G500

>>    To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>>    Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:41 PM

>>

>>    To go into known weather you have to have onboard radar or

>>    lighting dection. Sometime weather on xm doesn't show up as you

>>    need or is 15 min. late

>>    I have portable xm on my 496 soon to be 696 I hope.Depending on

>>    the CFO and what she says. I use it among different aircraft I fly.

>>    I have flown with stormscopes for years.

>>    Patrick Thyssen

>>    --- On *Wed, 11/18/09, Linn Walters /<pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>/*

>>    wrote:

>>

>>

>>        From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

>>        Subject: Re: G500

>>        To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>>        Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:20 PM

>>

>>        

>>        <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

>>

>>        Patrick, I think you answered your question .... XM weather.

>>  The stormscope just can't compete with all the additional info

>>        you get from XM weather, and I think Garmin knows that.  Can't

>>        you port the XM weather to your big screen???

>>        Linn

>>

>>        Patrick Thyssen wrote:

>>        >  As some of you know that I'm in the process of rebuilding

>>        my instrument panel. Stein has shipped it back to me and I

>>        should receive it shortly. I had OP Tech/Aerosonic full

>>        intergrated system in my RV10.

>>        >  We know how that turned out.

>>        >  So I did the research on the G500 and decided that was what

>>        I wanted. So I bought it and will have a pair of 430w's with

>>        330 transponder. Also took out my strike finder for a new

>>        WX500 stormscope.

>>        > In the G500 install manual they tell you how to wire it up,

>>        even though it's not supported yet. Near future they said.

>>        Well I called the tech yesterday to find out how they're

>>        coming with the sofeware for the WX500. The field engineer

>>        said, it was not and if they ever do, it would be a least two yrs.

>>        >  So here I am, New panel desighned cut  painted ready to

>>        install shortly no place to put a strikefinder. I'm begining

>>        to feel like I'm dealing with OP again.

>>        >  Now I ask you how many retro aircraft out there that would

>>        put this kind of unit in and not have or would want to have a

>>        WX500 stormscope in them.

>>        >  And yes it will display on the 430w with the little screen,

>>        but, You buy the big screen so you can see it. We have XM

>>        weather on portable due to different planes we fly.

>>        >  Thats my story

>>        > Thanks Garmin

>>        >

>>        > Patrick Thyssen

>>        >

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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: G500

Kelly is correct on the Strikefinder/Stormscope; I have come through by

avoiding the strike areas. Rain was unbelievable ; pouring into though the

doors. As for XM Nexrad, there is a delay but it is still useful for

tactical decisions. The XM nexrad will play a loop on the GRTs; with a

little knowledge of the rate of movement and the location it is possible to

circumnavigate the bad stuff. 



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