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 Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Have any of you guys with Experimental-Exhibition aircraft in the Reno FSDO (or elsewhere) seen something like this?
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/AR-BC320_memo.pdf
The EAA is working the issue. Seems like another FSDO making policy on their own, as in: "We're not happy until you're not Happy".
Craig Payne
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Someone is looking for job security.
Not enough accidents or violations in there area to justify
the personnel on staff.
Terry Lewis
From: Craig Payne <cpayne(at)joimail.com>
To: yak-list <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 6:15:52 PM
Subject: Reno FSDO
Have any of you guys with Experimental-Exhibition aircraft in the Reno FSDO (or elsewhere) seen something like this?
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/AR-BC320_memo.pdf
The EAA is working the issue. Seems like another FSDO making policy on their own, as in: "We're not happy until you're not Happy".
Craig Payne
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Reno FSDO |
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Are we not required annually to notify the local FSDO with a program letter and the fact that we are in their jurisdiction?
Does not the FAA maintain a database that consists of a copy of our airworthiness certificate and therefore our operating limitations?
As such do they not already have everything they have asked for?
obama must be now staffing the FSDOs with his own wiz kids.
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fish(at)aviation-tech.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Craig,
I received one last week, and still have not replied.
Laterrrrr
John Fischer
At 03:15 PM 12/20/2009, you wrote:
[quote]Have any of you guys with Experimental-Exhibition aircraft in the Reno FSDO (or elsewhere) seen something like this?
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/AR-BC320_memo.pdf
The EAA is working the issue. Seems like another FSDO making policy on their own, as in: "We're not happy until you're not Happy".
Craig Payne
cpayne(at)joimail.com (cpayne(at)joimail.com)
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barryhancock
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:23 am Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Unfortunately this is not only in Reno, it's the entire Western Region. The Riggs incident with the L-39 at the SaMo Pier pushed them over the edge. Not only did he display incredibly stupid airmanship, but he "lost" all his documentation when the FAA came calling. He also tried to play the shell game by moving the airplanes around when the FAA was looking for them. Of course the FAA finally caught up with them, and they were obviously furious when they did. Instead of taking this as an anomaly, as they should have, the FAA instead felt compelled to do something more...which now penalizes all good, dutiful, law abiding owners of EE aircraft. As usual, the stupidity and recklessness of the few ruin it for the many....
The good news is if you do as you should do regarding the administrative portion of operating your warbird, it will be a very short visit should you be ramp checked. That being said, I don't think many of us welcome this type of "invitation" of government into our lives....so make sure you are well versed in Part 43 so you can head off any potential headaches that can come from dealing with big egos, combined with big badges and three letter initials....
On Dec 21, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
[quote]Have any of you guys with Experimental-Exhibition aircraft in the Reno FSDO (or
elsewhere) seen something like this?
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/AR-BC320_memo.pdf
The EAA is working the issue. Seems like another FSDO making policy on their own,
as in: "We're not happy until you're not Happy".
Craig Payne
cpayne(at)joimail.com (cpayne(at)joimail.com)[b]
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Tis the season for new program letters. Lets flood them. IE: coordinate a day to all fax them at the same time. If done nationwide, that might get their attention.
A little extra Christmas Cheer to have to file before the New Year.
doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:20 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Reno FSDO
Unfortunately this is not only in Reno, it's the entire Western Region. The Riggs incident with the L-39 at the SaMo Pier pushed them over the edge. Not only did he display incredibly stupid airmanship, but he "lost" all his documentation when the FAA came calling. He also tried to play the shell game by moving the airplanes around when the FAA was looking for them. Of course the FAA finally caught up with them, and they were obviously furious when they did. Instead of taking this as an anomaly, as they should have, the FAA instead felt compelled to do something more...which now penalizes all good, dutiful, law abiding owners of EE aircraft. As usual, the stupidity and recklessness of the few ruin it for the many....
The good news is if you do as you should do regarding the administrative portion of operating your warbird, it will be a very short visit should you be ramp checked. That being said, I don't think many of us welcome this type of "invitation" of government into our lives....so make sure you are well versed in Part 43 so you can head off any potential headaches that can come from dealing with big egos, combined with big badges and three letter initials....
On Dec 21, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
Have any of you guys with Experimental-Exhibition aircraft in the Reno FSDO (or
elsewhere) seen something like this?
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/AR-BC320_memo.pdf
The EAA is working the issue. Seems like another FSDO making policy on their own,
as in: "We're not happy until you're not Happy".
Craig Payne
cpayne(at)joimail.com (cpayne(at)joimail.com)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Was not the Riggs incident well over one year ago?
Tom Elliott
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702-595-2680
[quote] From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 8:20 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Reno FSDO
Unfortunately this is not only in Reno, it's the entire Western Region. The Riggs incident with the L-39 at the SaMo Pier pushed them over the edge. Not only did he display incredibly stupid airmanship, but he "lost" all his documentation when the FAA came calling. He also tried to play the shell game by moving the airplanes around when the FAA was looking for them. Of course the FAA finally caught up with them, and they were obviously furious when they did. Instead of taking this as an anomaly, as they should have, the FAA instead felt compelled to do something more...which now penalizes all good, dutiful, law abiding owners of EE aircraft. As usual, the stupidity and recklessness of the few ruin it for the many....
The good news is if you do as you should do regarding the administrative portion of operating your warbird, it will be a very short visit should you be ramp checked. That being said, I don't think many of us welcome this type of "invitation" of government into our lives....so make sure you are well versed in Part 43 so you can head off any potential headaches that can come from dealing with big egos, combined with big badges and three letter initials....
On Dec 21, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
| Quote: | Have any of you guys with Experimental-Exhibition aircraft in the Reno FSDO (or
elsewhere) seen something like this?
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/AR-BC320_memo.pdf
The EAA is working the issue. Seems like another FSDO making policy on their own,
as in: "We're not happy until you're not Happy".
Craig Payne
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Has anyone gotten a letter like this from Oakland FDSO?
Bill Halverson
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Nothing like this from the Sacramento FSDO - yet.
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Kurt "It" Howerton
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http://cj6.scitechsys.com
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Has anyone gotten a letter like this from Oakland FDSO?
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barryhancock
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Reno FSDO |
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Gang,
What Craig posted was an internal memo...you will not likely be getting anything in the mail. I have spoken with the investigators of the Riggs incident (yes, over a year ago) and they told me this was coming.
What you can expect is an increased likelihood of a ramp check. Have your paperwork in order, and know Part 43. This directive currently applies to the Western Region only (so far). Frankly, they do not have the manpower to accomplish their objectives (check the records of every EE aircraft in 2 years), but needless to say, we are a more prominent target on their radar and should be prepared accordingly.
Happy Flying and Merry Christmas!
Barry
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Barry,
I'm curious about your comment "and know Part 43". What, in your opinion, must everyone know about Part 43 except for Part 43, paragraph 1.b.?
Merry Christmas,
Dennis
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:12 am Post subject: Reno FSDO |
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Berry,
I have received a letter very similar to the one posted for my Yak-52.
I have not yet replied to the letter.
It may be that my Yak-52 is still registered in Reno.
Since it has not flown since brining it home, I have not completed
the transfer.
But once again, I hope to have it flying by summer.
Laterrrrr
John Fischer
California City, CA
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Gang,
What Craig posted was an internal memo...you will not likely be
getting anything in the mail. I have spoken with the investigators
of the Riggs incident (yes, over a year ago) and they told me this
was coming.
What you can expect is an increased likelihood of a ramp
check. Have your paperwork in order, and know Part 43. This
directive currently applies to the Western Region only (so
far). Frankly, they do not have the manpower to accomplish their
objectives (check the records of every EE aircraft in 2 years), but
needless to say, we are a more prominent target on their radar and
should be prepared accordingly.
Happy Flying and Merry Christmas!
Barry
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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barryhancock
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Reno FSDO |
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Fish,
Thanks. I re-read the letter and indeed it is addressed to specific individuals. I was aware that this mandate was an internal Western Region action, but that they are sending letters out is the first tangible step.
This confirms to me that they realize they don't have the manpower to implement their original plan, and that was to physically inspect (again) every plane. Yes, this letter presents an administrative annoyance, but we should all have these docs. Be SURE that you understand your Ops Limits and what is required....this review does present the opportunity for the proverbial can of worms.
Happy Flying,
Barry
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