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capt_riney(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between his legs. Unfortunately, that won't work for me because I've got dual controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your ideas.
Mark Rinehart
MkIII Indianapolis
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| Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't
want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how
Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between
his legs. Unfortunately, that won't work for me because I've got dual
controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm
thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with
that? Thanks in advance for your ideas.
Mark Rinehart
MkIII Indianapolis
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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I have two locations for my switches in the Mark 111. Some of them are located overhead in the foward part of the gap cover and the others that I use most are in a long narrow panel (3" wide alum U shaped extrusion) which connect to the dash and cable guides between the seats. The master C 2 fuel pumps (main & reserve) and switch to show the fuel levels in each tank are in the ceater all other are located over head and easy to reach.
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Subject: Electrical Switch Location
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I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between his legs. Unfortunately C that won't work for me because I've got dual controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your ideas.
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Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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Mark Rinehart wrote: << I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your ideas. >>
Hi, Mark –
You are not the first Kolb builder to discover that your panel space is limited!
For my Mark-3, I built an auxiliary panel located on the aluminum floor panel just beneath the passenger’s knees. It was simpler than one would think. Just forward to the front edge of the seat is the aluminum sheet metal floor pan. It slopes at approx 45 degrees at this location, then becomes level for the rest of the floor area up to the rudder pedals. It was in the sloped portion of the pan where I built the auxiliary panel.
I cut out a recess – approx 4 x 10 inches – and reinforced it to hold a panel containing all my switches. On this panel are my master switch, starter button, elec fuel pump switch, strobe switch, a 12v power jack (cigar plug style, to power my GPS or handheld radio), and a fuse panel. For that, I used a 2 x 3 inch automotive fuse panel that has six slots for blade-style fuses, which I bought at Pep Boys. That was all the fuses I needed for my Kolb. Because the panel face itself is recessed, the switches are safely out of the way of feet, as your passenger climbs in & out of the airplane.
I cannot actually see this auxiliary panel from my seated position in the plane, but I can reach all the switches easily with my right hand. I know all the locations of the switches by feel.
If I had a picture of it, I would attach it with this message. Picture = a thousand words, etc. Next time I visit my Kolb, I’ll take a picture of my auxiliary panel and post it here. It was a VERY worthwhile modification, and it works great!
Dennis Kirby
Sandia Park, NM
Mark-III, 912ul, Powerfin-72 (the “old” style black variety)
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:23 am Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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I put the mag switches, push button starter switch and the fuel boost pump switch in an overhead panel so I can find them by touch. The master switch controls the test circuit and the alternator relay. The key switch controls the starter switch only. The master and the key are on the panel so I have to loosen my harness to deal with them. I found out just how much I liked this layout when the fan stopped on a downwind departure. I could reach everything it was practical to check and still fly the airplane.
Rick Girard
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On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Sky Biker Richarson <smlplanet(at)msn.com (smlplanet(at)msn.com)> wrote:
[quote] I have two locations for my switches in the Mark 111. Some of them are located overhead in the foward part of the gap cover and the others that I use most are in a long narrow panel (3" wide alum U shaped extrusion) which connect to the dash and cable guides between the seats. The master, 2 fuel pumps (main & reserve) and switch to show the fuel levels in each tank are in the ceater all other are located over head and easy to reach.
| Quote: | I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between his legs. Unfortunately, that won't work for me because I've got dual controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your ideas.
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Thom Riddle
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Electrical Switch Location |
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My two mag switches, aux fuel pump switch and starter switch are located at the front of the seat just below and outside my legs. The two separate mag switches I reach blind with my left hand. The aux fuel pump switch and momentary contact starter toggle switch are operated blind with my right hand. Everything else in on the tiny SS panel which I don't need access to in flight except the landing lights which I can reach with harness on. The EIS controls and elevator trim as well as PTT are on the stick.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:26 am Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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Mark C
There are lots of places where you could locate some switches C such as overhead C below your knees C and on some center console C but how about the following?..........
How about considering another very easy accessible place for those switches C etc? Why not mount them on a custom made pod on the door?
Back when I had a MkIII Classic front end (before my Xtra conversion) C I had mounted the engine throttle on the flip-up door. It worked perfect C felt comfortable C and swung out of the way when you get in and out. Ok C but those doors are now gone!
Now that my (new) doors are the Xtra style doors C I remade the "door-mounted throttle" to work with my new style doors. Still works great C and everything swings out of the way C to get in and out.
Now C regarding your question: Why not make an instrument/switch pod that mounts to your door? You could make it out of fiberglass (real easy project) C or aluminum (not my preference). This pod could incorporate an armrest C door handle C and flow into an instrument pod.
The above door pod suggestion is something I've been kicking around for awhile. I just got back home a couple of days ago from Minneapolis C visiting with my oldest son. I used our brand new Garmin Nuvi C and I made a special note of where the GPS is most useful and comfortable to use.
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A) I need it low C so I can see it properly with reading glasses.
B) I need it close C about 20" max. Anything further than that C and I can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy.
Therefore C with these parameters in mind C I've decided to build (out of fiberglass) a custom GPS pod/armrest C that will place the GPS where it will be the most useful C on the door. The GPS's final location would be about centered in front of me C about 15" in front of my stomach area. (about where you'd hold a magazine to read) The pod would hold one of those GPS panel docks C the kind that the Garmin 296 just pops into. (the brand escapes me C at the moment).
Just a suggestion C
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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Mike W/Gang:
Wish I had the motivation to make all those changes.
I kept all the switches along the bottom right of the instrument panel in front of me. Circuit breakers on the left side along the bottom of the instrument panel. I wear my shoulder harness loose enough to be able to reach the switches. If I need to pull or push a circuit breaker, takes a second to loosen the shoulder harness a little more to reach them. Normally, never have to recycle a breaker. I did fabricate a sheet metal panel which I shock mounted an inch or so nearer the seats.
My Garmin GPS is worn on my left thigh with a 2" velcro leg strap because I did not have room on the panel to mount it. Glad I didn't have room on the panel because I like it better on my leg. I wear bifocals and can easily see the gps and operate it. A slight disadvantage of wearing on my thigh is having to look down farther than if it was panel mounted. As my vision slowly deteriorates, I doubt I could see it well enough to use if it was mounted on the panel.
Being comfortable in the cockpit and keeping it simple is of primary importance to me.
Weather is lousy in Alabama, cold and wet. When the sun comes out it will be cold, low 40s.
Happy and healthy new year, folks!
Yippee! 4.5 months until time to fly to MV.
john h
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[quote] There are lots of places where you could locate some switches, such as overhead, below your knees, and on some center console, but how about the following?..........
A) I need it low, so I can see it properly with reading glasses.
B) I need it close, about 20" max. Anything further than that, and I can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy.
Just a suggestion,
Mike Welch
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: Electrical Switch Location |
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John H/Everybody else C
Yeah C I admit C most of the changes I've done are NOT for the faint of heart.
Plus C after all the delays C mods and postponings C it's time for me to finish the plane.
I'm not going to begin any further stuff until I have the plane finished. Things like "door pods" and other less important paraphernalia will be left for later.
Mike Welch
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Date: Fri C 1 Jan 2010 09:16:12 -0600
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Wish I had the motivation to make all those changes.
I kept all the switches along the bottom right of the instrument panel in front of me. Circuit breakers on the left side along the bottom of the instrument panel. I wear my shoulder harness loose enough to be able to reach the switches. If I need to pull or push a circuit breaker C takes a second to loosen the shoulder harness a little more to reach them. Normally C never have to recycle a breaker. I did fabricate a sheet metal panel which I shock mounted an inch or so nearer the seats.
My Garmin GPS is worn on my left thigh with a 2" velcro leg strap because I did not have room on the panel to mount it. Glad I didn't have room on the panel because I like it better on my leg. I wear bifocals and can easily see the gps and operate it. A slight disadvantage of wearing on my thigh is having to look down farther than if it was panel mounted. As my vision slowly deteriorates C I doubt I could see it well enough to use if it was mounted on the panel.
Being comfortable in the cockpit and keeping it simple is of primary importance to me.
Weather is lousy in Alabama C cold and wet. When the sun comes out it will be cold C low 40s.
Happy and healthy new year C folks!
Yippee! 4.5 months until time to fly to MV.
john h
mkIII
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A) I need it low C so I can see it properly with reading glasses.
B) I need it close C about 20" max. Anything further than that C and I can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy.
Just a suggestion C
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