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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: Overhead console configuration

I need some pro-builders, that's all of you on the list, to help me

 with my lights on the overhead.  Pilots that have flown the 10 or 

pilots that have flown a lot of other planes I need your advice. That

 includes you Tim and Robin.  I want all feedback I won't get my 

feelers hurt.  I don't want to punch unnecessary holes in my overhead

 console.  I have two configurations below but not limited to these. 

Also, I will make some bezels for the LED's.

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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: Overhead console configuration

Strasnuts



First off, it looks good either way.  I have a Accuracy avionics 

overhead.  I have a couple small LEDs fairly far forward, up by the four 

nuts holding the center bar.  I have done some night flying recently and 

it seems that the sun visors will sometimes obstruct the light access to 

the panel.  Farther back may be better, for what it's worth. 



Dr Fred

515FW

200 hrs.

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: Overhead console configuration

I'd really recommend the dome light for up front, and one

in the back if you wish as an option.  The one in front

is very handy.  My click-lights work in the back OK for

the kids, but if you wire up one, you could just as easily

wire up the second for the rear seat.



Then, for spot/moveable LED's, I'd really recommend that

the front have TWO of them, and that they be moveable.

I find that I could even use 3 if you want full lighting

on everything up front.  What I usually do is when we're

in cruise, I dim everything as much as possible, but turn

my 2 overhead red lights so that I can see all the panel

switches well, and the co-pilot side is on the throttle

quadrant area.  I leave the side by the breakers only

dimly lit...nothing aimed at them.  In an ideal world,

I would have a left, right, and center.  But you'll

want all switches to have some sort of illumination

to make them visible at night.    don't find that a

glareshield light would do a fantastic job of lighting

switches down on the bottom of the panel without it being

really bright, and I don't like any bright lighting in the

cockpit at night. I dim the EFIS's, and everything else

to the minimum.



So, with that in mind, I like the photo with the 2

eyeball lights best.  You may want eyeballs in the rear,

too.  I put some lighting back by the rear air vents

that seems to be OK for the girls....although I

should probably make it brighter than what have today.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD



Strasnuts wrote:

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 I need some pro-builders, that's all of you on the list, to help me

  with my lights on the overhead.  Pilots that have flown the 10 or 

 pilots that have flown a lot of other planes I need your advice. That

  includes you Tim and Robin.  I want all feedback I won't get my 

 feelers hurt.  I don't want to punch unnecessary holes in my overhead

  console.  I have two configurations below but not limited to these. 

 Also, I will make some bezels for the LED's.

 

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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: Overhead console configuration

Sean,



Are those your only lighting on the overhead?



The reason I ask, is that I really like what Geoff did in his overhead.  He

has an eyeball type of light used for map/task lighting for each passenger.

He has two of Stein's cockpit lights (B-12) mounted on the forward portion

of the overhead to wash the instrument panel, and one the dome lights that

Van's sells in the front and back seats, and two in the baggage area for

maintenance/cleaning.



I think this strategy of three different types of lighting is pretty

effective.



I'm sure you can talk Geoff into sharing a photo of his installation.

Ironically, he doesn't have one of his own overheads.   That project didn't

start until his was almost ready to fly.



bob



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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Overhead console configuration

I may send back the Aveoflash eyeballs.  They are really cool how they work but they are big and need protection tape like that on an Iphone screen.  I was wondering too if the rear passengers should have a red light also so the pilot doesn't get blinded by the white light.  I like the input so far, I may still get two red LED lights from Stein to put on the forward slants on the overhead.  How many lights is too many?  I will have two eyebeams two big LED white lights, two red leds from Stein's AND a baggage light.

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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Overhead console configuration

Oh ya, I also might also buy this and cut out the pocket so I can fit it inside the console and feed it video from a double din from the panel.  This way it won't stick out of the console unless it is being used.  Any other ideas on video screens?  I heard some people say they are in the way of the rear passengers.

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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Overhead console configuration

Oh ya, I also might also buy this and cut out the pocket so I can fit it inside the console and feed it video from a double din from the panel.  This way it won't stick out of the console unless it is being used.  Any other ideas on video screens?  I heard some people say they are in the way of the rear passengers



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aerosport1

Joined: 07 Nov 2007
Posts: 231

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

Sean here is a picture of what I did. So far I really like the setup. Each

passenger has there own LED reading light eyeball from Stein. Small but

works good. Those have there own on-off switch next to them. I then have the

small silver dome lights in the cockpit area, passenger area and then 2 in

the baggage area as my dome lights. Last I have the Blue LED adjustable

lights that I can shine on the panel or turn down to the pilot or copilot.

Although I do not have a lot of time in the airplane this seems to work

well. I like the idea of putting as many of the lights in the removable

panels so if for some reason a really cool light comes out that you have to

have you do not have hole to fill in the overhead just replace the panel

insert or fill it and repaint. The only problem I have is I cannot get my

head sets on the head set holders in the front as planned. The lights I

placed to close in. I had them mounted before I decided to put the head

Set hangar in. All you need to do is move them out as far as possible. 



Hope this helps

Geoff



Geoff Combs

President

Aerosport Modeling & Design

8090 Howe Industrial Parkway 

Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110

614-834-5227p

614-834-5230f

www.aerosportmodeling.com

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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Overhead console configuration

That's nice Geoff, I like the switches for the little eyeballs.  I want to make my eyebeams work but don't know where to put them.  I'm re-installing the canopy right now so I can sit inside and see if the eyebeams can move far enough forward to the panel.  I think I will add the eyeballs you have with the switches for each passenger.

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

I really wanted the Aveo's but your experience has started to turn me

off.  (... and save me money)



Now I'm leaning toward Stein's lights (2x) front, (2x) rear, 1(x)

baggage.  I'm planning to us a off/on-dimmer in the front for each light

and the same thing for the rear seats. That makes a total of four

off/on-dimmers for local control.



But, I'm also planning to install a master (read "Kiddie") switch for

the rear lights.  So I can shut them off up front and don't have to

worry about a kid flipping on lights unless I want them to.  If I were a

kid, I'd do it just to make dad turn around and slap me...  I know how I

thought.



The baggage light will have its own pair of switches.

	1) Local in the baggage compartment to help during

loading/unloading.

	2) Cockpit switch: So mom can crawl back there in flight and dig

through bags for diapers, bottles, and band-aids.   



Phil



  



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

You'll want the rear seaters to have SOMETHING other than

a bright light.  We won't let the kids use any bright

lights in the back during flight.  Red, Blue, whatever...

you won't want it bright.  Having those 2 Stein lights

forward sounds like a good idea...then you can do

whatever you want overhead.  I find I can reach up and turn

those forward lights to my lap if I need them....so other than

the white dome, I don't have anything separate, and don't need

it. I keep a 2 color (white/red) flashlight by each pilot

seat too.



A baggage light will be handy. I used a click-light back

there too.  One less pair of wires to run,and when

you're unloading you don't need to leave a master on

or worry about leaving a light on if you directly tie

it to a battery bus. Click lights can be very handy since

they're bus independent.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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Strasnuts wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I may send back the Aveoflash eyeballs.  They are really cool how

 they work but they are big and need protection tape like that on an

 Iphone screen.  I was wondering too if the rear passengers should

 have a red light also so the pilot doesn't get blinded by the white

 light.  I like the input so far, I may still get two red LED lights

 from Stein to put on the forward slants on the overhead.  How many

 lights is too many?  I will have two eyebeams two big LED white

 lights, two red leds from Stein's AND a baggage light.

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

For most people, overhead video screens won't be very comfortable

to view.  Especially kids.  It's just plain too high up. I'd

skip it and find something you can lower.  Even monitors that

you can hold in your hands and plug in up top would be better.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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Strasnuts wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Oh ya, I also might also buy this and cut out the pocket so I can fit

 it inside the console and feed it video from a double din from the

 panel.  This way it won't stick out of the console unless it is being

 used.  Any other ideas on video screens?  I heard some people say

 they are in the way of the rear passengers

 

 http://www.crutchfield.com/p_077RM890W/Valor-RM-890W.html?tp=77

 

 -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:51 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

Yeah, now that is excellent.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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Geoff Combs wrote:

[quote] Sean here is a picture of what I did. So far I really like the setup. Each

 passenger has there own LED reading light eyeball from Stein. Small but

 works good. Those have there own on-off switch next to them. I then have the

 small silver dome lights in the cockpit area, passenger area and then 2 in

 the baggage area as my dome lights. Last I have the Blue LED adjustable

 lights that I can shine on the panel or turn down to the pilot or copilot.

 Although I do not have a lot of time in the airplane this seems to work

 well. I like the idea of putting as many of the lights in the removable

 panels so if for some reason a really cool light comes out that you have to

 have you do not have hole to fill in the overhead just replace the panel

 insert or fill it and repaint. The only problem I have is I cannot get my

 head sets on the head set holders in the front as planned. The lights I

 placed to close in. I had them mounted before I decided to put the head

 Set hangar in. All you need to do is move them out as far as possible. 

 

 Hope this helps

 Geoff

 

 Geoff Combs

 President

 Aerosport Modeling & Design

 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway 

 Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110

 614-834-5227p

 614-834-5230f

 www.aerosportmodeling.com

 

 

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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

Probably more cost effective just to use portable units.   I did that in my

SUV.  I also bought a couple cheap lcd screens that can be slaved off the

player.  The other item to keep in mind is the conversion from dvd to

blu-ray.  I'm already a having issues at home.  We only buy blue-ray, but

only have one blue ray player at the moment.



For these reasons, I've decided to not installed any permanent entertainment

in the RV-10.

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aerosport1

Joined: 07 Nov 2007
Posts: 231

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:19 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

One other thing I forgot to mention was I used TCW's intelligent lighting

system and it is awesome. My Dome lights can be dimmed as well as the front

blue lights. The dimmer is the on-off switch as well. It has the wig wag.

Easy to install. It also dims my switches and what ever else you might need.



Geoff



Geoff Combs

President

Aerosport Modeling & Design

8090 Howe Industrial Parkway 

Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110

614-834-5227p

614-834-5230f

www.aerosportmodeling.com

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2881

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

Exactly....I've already dumped my old hard drive based players

and got the kids apple ipod touches, which means all the work

I did to make charging accessories for those from plane power

is gone.  So for things that change over time, I'd say stay

portable.  How many people owned portable VHS players...how'd

you like to have one in your car/plane today?   DVD's are

not going to be THE thing forever...especially with Blu-Ray

out.  So for entertainment electronics, keeping it portable

but coming up with a nice fixed distribution is maybe a good

idea.  This annual my plan is to permanently mount my video

splitter, install a couple of rear-seat USB charging jacks,

and find a way to make it so that one kid can plug in their

ipod to standard composite video jacks and have it play

on both portable screens.  I can do it right now, but I don't

have the distribution hard mounted, so it's a bag of stuff

to bring along.



Actually, like Scott was talking about, if Apple makes their

tablet PC available soon, that might be a cool thing to use

for in-flight video...just load the sucker up like a big

ipod and then plug the audio in to your intercom.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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Bob Leffler wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Probably more cost effective just to use portable units.   I did that in my

 SUV.  I also bought a couple cheap lcd screens that can be slaved off the

 player.  The other item to keep in mind is the conversion from dvd to

 blu-ray.  I'm already a having issues at home.  We only buy blue-ray, but

 only have one blue ray player at the moment.

 

 For these reasons, I've decided to not installed any permanent entertainment

 in the RV-10.

 

 

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

Has anyone used both red and blue lights enough to have a preference?  

I've flown with red but never with blue.



Bill

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ricksked(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

After wandering through CES.....everything you own is now obsolete....some really coooool stuff

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T



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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

I like the idea of power usb's and the tablets. I just noticed the  

screens coming out that are paper thin, flexible and you can wear them  

on a t-shirt. I'm now convinced to not install any permenant  

entertainment except my garmins of course.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2010, at 14:34, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 Exactly....I've already dumped my old hard drive based players

 and got the kids apple ipod touches, which means all the work

 I did to make charging accessories for those from plane power

 is gone.  So for things that change over time, I'd say stay

 portable.  How many people owned portable VHS players...how'd

 you like to have one in your car/plane today?   DVD's are

 not going to be THE thing forever...especially with Blu-Ray

 out.  So for entertainment electronics, keeping it portable

 but coming up with a nice fixed distribution is maybe a good

 idea.  This annual my plan is to permanently mount my video

 splitter, install a couple of rear-seat USB charging jacks,

 and find a way to make it so that one kid can plug in their

 ipod to standard composite video jacks and have it play

 on both portable screens.  I can do it right now, but I don't

 have the distribution hard mounted, so it's a bag of stuff

 to bring along.

 Actually, like Scott was talking about, if Apple makes their

 tablet PC available soon, that might be a cool thing to use

 for in-flight video...just load the sucker up like a big

 ipod and then plug the audio in to your intercom.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 Bob Leffler wrote:

> 

> Probably more cost effective just to use portable units.   I did  

> that in my

> SUV.  I also bought a couple cheap lcd screens that can be slaved  

> off the

> player.  The other item to keep in mind is the conversion from dvd to

> blu-ray.  I'm already a having issues at home.  We only buy blue- 

> ray, but

> only have one blue ray player at the moment.

> For these reasons, I've decided to not installed any permanent  

> entertainment

> in the RV-10.

> --

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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration

 	  Quote: 	
		   The baggage light will have its own pair of switches.

 1) Local in the baggage compartment to help during

 loading/unloading.

 2) Cockpit switch: So mom can crawl back there in flight and dig

 through bags for diapers, bottles, and band-aids.  




	


I spoke to a couple of flying RV-10 builders and they told me to get a 

portable LED light that I can just velcro and use as needed as they have 

used their baggage switch less than a hand full of time sin the last 2 

years. Just a thought on maybe an easier solution.

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From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:35 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Re: Overhead console configuration



[quote] 



 I really wanted the Aveo's but your experience has started to turn me

 off.  (... and save me money)



 Now I'm leaning toward Stein's lights (2x) front, (2x) rear, 1(x)

 baggage.  I'm planning to us a off/on-dimmer in the front for each light

 and the same thing for the rear seats. That makes a total of four

 off/on-dimmers for local control.



 But, I'm also planning to install a master (read "Kiddie") switch for

 the rear lights.  So I can shut them off up front and don't have to

 worry about a kid flipping on lights unless I want them to.  If I were a

 kid, I'd do it just to make dad turn around and slap me...  I know how I

 thought.



 The baggage light will have its own pair of switches.

 1) Local in the baggage compartment to help during

 loading/unloading.

 2) Cockpit switch: So mom can crawl back there in flight and dig

 through bags for diapers, bottles, and band-aids.  



 Phil



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