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Thanks for all your thoughts on this subject. I will probably go with the tubing over the cable and keep a check for wear. The movement of the cables is only about 4.5 in. or so. It probably is not that big of an issue, and they don't have a lot of force against one another for wear. Thanks again to everybody.
Sam
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Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/10/10
From: sam hord <samhord2(at)gmail.com (samhord2(at)gmail.com)>
I have seen the bungee in the plans, but didn't like it. I am going with the
push rod. Thank you for your response. If anybody has gone this route please
let us hear about it.
Sam
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> How are you keeping the elevater cables separated so they do not rub and
> wear?
> Sam
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> Zenith uses a bungey on one of the cables attached to the passenger side.
> I'm at
> that stage right now, and several of the guys on this list pointed it out
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> > Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:22 AM
> > How are you keeping the elevater cables
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> From: "Curt Thompson" <Curt.Thompson(at)verizon.net (Curt.Thompson(at)verizon.net)>
> Subject: Fork tube analysis and prospective stainless
> steel
> substitute
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> On my plans built CH701, I have been polishing a few of the parts like the
> landing gear and front fork. I was wondering if I could replace the front
> fork tube with stainless steel parts and get a similar look. I would need
> to make sure that the replacement had the same strength as the original.
> So, with the help of my son, we did a SolidWorks analysis of a 4130N tube,
> 2
> inch diameter, 21 inches long with a 0.065" wall. The top is solidly
> anchored and a force is applied horizontally at the bottom. Here is a link
> of the simulation video that SolidWorks made:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8uamuysV_8
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> The video ends when the fork tube fails. It took a force of 540 lbs. As
> you can see, the tube bent a lot before it failed. If you make the fork
> tube stronger you are likely to move the loads elsewhere and it will break
> somewhere else.
>
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> One thing comes to mind here, if you bend the front axle and lock up the
> wheel you are going to see a lot more than 540lbs. There was a picture
> on
> this list over a year ago that showed a bent fork tube after what was
> claimed to be a normal landing. I don't know how common this problem
> actually is.
>
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> We substituted the fork tube with T-316L stainless steel in the simulation.
> It took a wall thickness of 0.250" before we arrived at a similar result.
> Since that would make the fork tube about four times as heavy, I have
> decided to stay with the 4130N of the plans. I may go up one notch in
> thickness of 4130N though. I might also replace the front axle with a
> solid
> shaft. On the shaft I have now, I machined bushings and welded them in
> place.
>
>
> Curt Thompson
>
> Redmond, WA, USA
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Time: 12:21:48 PM PST US
From: "Curt Thompson" <Curt.Thompson(at)verizon.net (Curt.Thompson(at)verizon.net)>
Subject: RE: Fork tube analysis and prospective stainless steel
substitute
Here is a link to the previous thread that has pictures of how the fork tube
bent.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=56639
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=56639&highlight=weak+701+nose+g
ear> &highlight=weak+701+nose+gear
Curt
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Time: 01:35:16 PM PST US
From: "Mark Sherman" <n752ms(at)softcom.net (n752ms(at)softcom.net)>
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/10/10
Sam.
I you are going to use pushrods you will need to change the geometry of
the elevator bell crank. The cables get looser and tighter depending on
the aileron position. That is the reason for the bungee cord, to take
up the slack.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
80 HRS
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