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		jef.vervoortw(at)telenet. Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:58 am    Post subject: Batteries | 
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				In september 2007, some messages promoted the use of A123 Systems batteries. They should offer a substantial weight saving.  
    
 Anybody heard of recent developments?  
    
 Jef, 91031 wiring.  
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				 Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Batteries | 
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				At 04:20 AM 3/24/2010, you wrote:
   	  | Quote: | 	 		   In september 2007, some messages promoted the use of A123 Systems batteries. They should offer a substantial weight saving.
   
  Anybody heard of recent developments? | 	  
    The aviation battery manufacturing community is still
    wrestling with li-ion battery technology for use as
    starting batteries. I'm not aware of any wide-spread
    usage. There are a few devices qualified to
    the type certificate of some large air transport
    category aircraft as standy-by power.  I'm not
    aware of anything even close to making onto a
    single-engine TC aircraft or even jets.
 
    Li-Ion technology energy densities are VERY high and
    that "works-better-weighs-less" siren song is
    seductive. But it's like trying to teach your engine
    how to burn nitro-glycerine. Yeah, the energy is
    there but keeping it from ever turning around to
    bite you is no trivial task!
 
    For now and the immediate future, SVLA is the king
    of affordable and safe performance in batteries
    for aircraft.
 
    Bob . . .    [quote][b]
 
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				 Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: Batteries | 
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				I have a fair bit of experience with A123's and yes, they would work fine for starting your plane, or your car. 
 I've used a 10oz [4 cell] pack to jump start a Rotax 912ul 4 different times this winter. All were at well below freezing temps. 
 I have a 16 cell pack ready to install in my 912uls powered plane when it's completed this summer. 
 LiFe battery packs are not as simple as just hooking up 2 wires. I doubt they will ever be mainstream until someone markets a complete drop in solution. 
 
 [quote="jef.vervoortw(at)telenet."]In september 2007, some messages promoted the use of A123 Systems batteries. They should offer a substantial weight saving.  
    
 Anybody heard of recent developments?  
    
 Jef, 91031 wiring.  
         
 
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